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Dialogues of the Dead (11.5-12.3)

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DIOGENES

But, most excellent son of Amphitryon, you would be right enough, if you were a body, but in fact you are a bodiless wraith. So it looks as if youre now making Heracles triple.

HERACLES

How triple?

DIOGENES

Like this. If theres one of him in heaven, and one here with us (thats you the wraith), and theres his body on Oeta, now dust, hes now become three. Youd better start thinking what third father youll invent for your body.

HERACLES

Youre an impudent quibbler. Who the blazes are you?

DIOGENES

Im the wraith of Diogenes of Sinope, but Diogenes himself isnt among the gods that know not death”, [*] no indeed, but in the company of the finest of the ghosts, laughing at Homer and nonsensical stories like this.

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Philip And Alexander
PHILIP

You cant deny being my son now, Alexander; you wouldnt be dead, if you were the son of Ammon.

ALEXANDER

I knew quite well myself, father, that I was the son of Philip, the son of Amyntas, but I accepted the oracle, because I thought it useful for my purposes.

PHILIP

What! Useful to allow yourself to be cheated by the prophets?

ALEXANDER

Not that, but the barbarians were terrified of me, and nobody resisted me any more; they thought they were fighting against a god, so that I conquered them the more easily.

PHILIP

What enemies did you conquer that were worth fighting? Your adversaries were always cowards, and armed with nothing better than bows and bucklers and wicker shields. But conquering Greeks, conquering Boeotians, Phocians and Athenians was a real task, and subduing Arcadian heavy troops, Thessalian horse, javelin men of Elis, and light troops from Mantinea, or Thracians, Illyrians

v.7.p.63
or Paeonians was a great achievement. But as for Medes, Persians and Chaldaeans, effeminate creatures bedecked in goldyou werent the first to conquer them. Dont you know how Clearchus did so, going inland with a mere ten thousand men, and they didnt even wait to fight at close quarters, but fled before they were in bow-shot?

ALEXANDER

But, father, the Scythians and the elephants of the Indians are not to be despised, and yet I won my victories over them without sowing dissension, or using bribery and treachery. I never went back on an oath or a promise, or broke faith to gain a victory, and, though I took over most of the Greeks without bloodshed, perhaps youve heard how I punished the Thebans.

PHILIP

I know all that; I was told by Clitus, whom you killed at dinner, by running him through with a spear, because he dared to praise me rather than your achievements.

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