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CYNISCUS

Indeed, the oracle of Laius is really ridiculous:

Sow not the birth-field in the gods despite,
For if thou getst, thy son will lay thee low.
Euripides, Phoenissae, 18-19 It was superfluous, I take it, to caution against what was bound to be so in any event. Consequently after the oracle he sowed his seed and his son laid him low. I dont see, therefore, on what ground you demand your fee for making prophecies.

CYNISCUS

I say nothing of the fact that you are accustomed to give most people perplexed and ambiguous responses, not making it at all clear whether the man who

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crosses the Halys will cause the loss of his own kingdom or that of Cyrus; for the oracle can be taken in either sense.[*]

ZEUS

Apollo had some reason for being angry at Croesus because he had tested him by stewing lamb and turtle together.[*]

CYNISCUS

He should not have been angry, being a god. However, the very deception of the Lydian was predetermined, I suppose, and in general our lack of definite information about the future is due to the spindle of Destiny; so even your soothsaying is in her province.

ZEUS

Then you leave nothing for us, and we are gods to no purpose, not contributing any providence to the world and not deserving our sacrifices, like drills or adzes in very truth? Indeed, it seems to me that you scorn me with reason, because although, as_ you see, I have a thunderbolt clenched in my hand, I am letting you say all this against us.

CYNISCUS

Strike, Zeus, if it is fated that I am really to be struck by lightning, and I wont blame you for the stroke but Clotho, who inflicts the injury through

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you; for even the thunderbolt itself, I should say, would not be the cause of the injury. There is another question, however, which I will put to you and to Destiny, and you can answer for her. You have put me in mind of it by your threat.

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