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A Feast of Lapithae (37-39)

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Lycinus

'Quite right, Cleodemus,’ said Hermon; let them tell us why they condemn pleasure, and yet expect more of it than any one else.’ No, no,’ says Zenothemis; you give us your grounds, Cleodemus, for saying wealth is not a thing indifferent. No, I tell you; let us have your case.? So the see-saw went on, till Ion came out of his retirement and called a truce: I will give you,’ he said, a theme worthy of the occasion; and you shall speak and listen without trying for personal triumphs; take a leaf from our Plato this time.’ Hear, hear,’ from the company, especially from Aristaenetus and Eucritus, who hailed this escape from unpleasantness. The former now went back to his own place, confident of peace.

Lycinus

The repast,’ as they call it, had just made its appearance; each guest was served with a bird, a slice of wild boar, a portion of hare, a fried fish, some sesame cakes and sweet-meatsall these to be taken home if the guest chose. Every man had not a

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separate dish, however; Aristaenetus and Eucritus shared one little table, from which each was to take what belonged to him; so Zenothemis the Stoic and Hermon the Epicurean; Cleodemus and Ion had the third table, the bridegroom and I the next; Diphilus had a double portion, by the absence of Zeno. Remember these details, Philo; you will find they bear on the story.

Philo

Trust me.

Lycinus

Ion proceeded: I will start, then, if you wish it.' He reflected a moment, and then: With so much talent in the room, no less a subject might seem indicated than Ideas[*], Incorporeals, and the Immortality of the Soul. On the other hand our divergent views might make that too controversial; so I will take the question of marriage, and say what seems appropriate. The counsel of perfection here would be to dispense with it, and be satisfied, according to the prescription of Plato and Socrates, with contemplating male beauty. So, and only so, is absolute virtue to be attained. But if marriage is admitted as a practical necessity, then we should adopt the Platonic system of holding our wives in common, thus obviating rivality.’

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