Γοργίας
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ΣΩ. ἀληθεῖς ἄρα, ὡς ἔοικεν, οἱ ἔμπροσθεν λόγοι ἦσαν, 517
517a
ὅτι οὐδένα ἡμεῖς ἴσμεν ἄνδρα ἀγαθὸν γεγονότα τὰ πολιτικὰ ἐν τῇδε τῇ πόλει. σὺ δὲ ὡμολόγεις τῶν γε νῦν οὐδένα, τῶν μέντοι ἔμπροσθεν, καὶ προείλου τούτους τοὺς ἄνδρας· οὗτοι δὲ ἀνεφάνησαν ἐξ ἴσου τοῖς νῦν ὄντες, ὥστε, εἰ οὗτοι ῥήτορες ἦσαν, οὔτε τῇ ἀληθινῇ ῥητορικῇ ἐχρῶντο—οὐ γὰρ ἂν ἐξέπεσον—οὔτε τῇ κολακικῇ.
ΚΑΛ. ἀλλὰ μέντοι πολλοῦ γε δεῖ, ὦ Σώκρατες, μή ποτέ τις τῶν νῦν ἔργα τοιαῦτα ἐργάσηται οἷα τούτων ὅστις 517b
βούλει εἴργασται.
ΣΩ. ὦ δαιμόνιε, οὐδʼ ἐγὼ ψέγω τούτους ὥς γε διακόνους εἶναι πόλεως, ἀλλά μοι δοκοῦσι τῶν γε νῦν διακονικώτεροι γεγονέναι καὶ μᾶλλον οἷοί τε ἐκπορίζειν τῇ πόλει ὧν ἐπεθύμει. ἀλλὰ γὰρ μεταβιβάζειν τὰς ἐπιθυμίας καὶ μὴ ἐπιτρέπειν, πείθοντες καὶ βιαζόμενοι ἐπὶ τοῦτο ὅθεν ἔμελλον ἀμείνους ἔσεσθαι οἱ πολῖται, ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν οὐδὲν 517c
τούτων διέφερον ἐκεῖνοι· ὅπερ μόνον ἔργον ἐστὶν ἀγαθοῦ πολίτου. ναῦς δὲ καὶ τείχη καὶ νεώρια καὶ ἄλλα πολλὰ τοιαῦτα καὶ ἐγώ σοι ὁμολογῶ δεινοτέρους εἶναι ἐκείνους τούτων ἐκπορίζειν. πρᾶγμα οὖν γελοῖον ποιοῦμεν ἐγώ τε καὶ σὺ ἐν τοῖς λόγοις· ἐν παντὶ γὰρ τῷ χρόνῳ ὃν διαλεγόμεθα οὐδὲν παυόμεθα εἰς τὸ αὐτὸ ἀεὶ περιφερόμενοι καὶ ἀγνοοῦντες ἀλλήλων ὅτι λέγομεν. ἐγὼ γοῦν σε πολλάκις οἶμαι ὡμολογηκέναι καὶ ἐγνωκέναι ὡς ἄρα διττὴ αὕτη τις 517d
ἡ πραγματεία ἔστιν καὶ περὶ τὸ σῶμα καὶ περὶ τὴν ψυχήν, καὶ ἡ μὲν ἑτέρα διακονική ἐστιν, ᾗ δυνατὸν εἶναι ἐκπορίζειν, ἐὰν μὲν πεινῇ τὰ σώματα ἡμῶν, σιτία, ἐὰν δὲ διψῇ, ποτά, ἐὰν δὲ ῥιγῷ, ἱμάτια, στρώματα, ὑποδήματα, ἄλλʼ ὧν ἔρχεται σώματα εἰς ἐπιθυμίαν· καὶ ἐξεπίτηδές σοι διὰ τῶν αὐτῶν εἰκόνων λέγω, ἵνα ῥᾷον καταμάθῃς. τούτων γὰρ ποριστικὸν εἶναι ἢ κάπηλον ὄντα ἢ ἔμπορον ἢ δημιουργόν του αὐτῶν 517e
τούτων, σιτοποιὸν ἢ ὀψοποιὸν ἢ ὑφάντην ἢ σκυτοτόμον ἢ σκυτοδεψόν, οὐδὲν θαυμαστόν ἐστιν ὄντα τοιοῦτον δόξαι καὶ αὑτῷ καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις θεραπευτὴν εἶναι σώματος, παντὶ τῷ μὴ εἰδότι ὅτι ἔστιν τις παρὰ ταύτας ἁπάσας τέχνη γυμναστική τε καὶ ἰατρική, ἣ δὴ τῷ ὄντι γε ἐστὶν σώματος θεραπεία, ἥνπερ καὶ προσήκει τούτων ἄρχειν πασῶν τῶν τεχνῶν καὶ χρῆσθαι τοῖς τούτων ἔργοις διὰ τὸ εἰδέναι ὅτι χρηστὸν καὶ πονηρὸν τῶν σιτίων ἢ ποτῶν ἐστιν εἰς ἀρετὴν 518
518a
σώματος, τὰς δʼ ἄλλας πάσας ταύτας ἀγνοεῖν·
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w |
1584 |
| ἐστὶν |
2 |
w |
1589 |
| σώματος |
2 |
w |
1596 |
| θεραπεία |
1 |
w |
1604 |
| ἥνπερ |
1 |
w |
1610 |
| καὶ |
19 |
w |
1613 |
| προσήκει |
1 |
w |
1621 |
| τούτων |
6 |
w |
1627 |
| ἄρχειν |
1 |
w |
1633 |
| πασῶν |
1 |
w |
1638 |
| τῶν |
8 |
w |
1641 |
| τεχνῶν |
1 |
w |
1647 |
| καὶ |
20 |
w |
1650 |
| χρῆσθαι |
1 |
w |
1657 |
| τοῖς |
4 |
w |
1661 |
| τούτων |
7 |
w |
1667 |
| ἔργοις |
1 |
w |
1673 |
| διὰ |
2 |
w |
1676 |
| τὸ |
5 |
w |
1678 |
| εἰδέναι |
1 |
w |
1685 |
| ὅτι |
4 |
w |
1688 |
| χρηστὸν |
1 |
w |
1695 |
| καὶ |
21 |
w |
1698 |
| πονηρὸν |
1 |
w |
1705 |
| τῶν |
9 |
w |
1708 |
| σιτίων |
1 |
w |
1714 |
| ἢ |
8 |
w |
1715 |
| ποτῶν |
1 |
w |
1720 |
| ἐστιν |
3 |
w |
1725 |
| εἰς |
3 |
w |
1728 |
| ἀρετὴν |
1 |
w |
1734 |
| σώματος |
3 |
w |
1741 |
| τὰς |
2 |
w |
1745 |
| δʼ |
2 |
w |
1747 |
| ἄλλας |
1 |
w |
1752 |
| πάσας |
2 |
w |
1757 |
| ταύτας |
2 |
w |
1763 |
| ἀγνοεῖν |
1 |
w |
1770 |