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and when we had entered, we came upon Protagoras as he was walking round in the cloister,[*] and close behind him two companies were walking round also; on the one side Callias, son of Hipponicus and his brother on the mothers side,

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Paralus, son of Pericles, and Charmides, son of Glaucon, while the other troop consisted of Pericles other son Xanthippus, Philippides, son of Philomelus, and Antimoerus of Mende, who is the most highly reputed of Protagoras disciples and is taking the course professionally with a view to becoming a sophist. The persons who followed in their rear, listening to what they could of the talk, seemed to be mostly strangers, brought by the great Protagoras from the several cities which he traverses, enchanting them with his voice like Orpheus, while they follow
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where the voice sounds, enchanted; and some of our own inhabitants were also dancing attendance. As for me, when I saw their evolutions I was delighted with the admirable care they took not to hinder Protagoras at any moment by getting in front; but whenever the master turned about and those with him, it was fine to see the orderly manner in which his train of listeners split up into two parties on this side and on that, and wheeling round formed up again each time in his rear most admirably.
And next did I mark,
Hom. Od. 11.601 as Homer says, Hippias of Elis,
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seated high on a chair in the doorway opposite; and sitting around him on benches were Eryximachus, son of Acumenus, Phaedrus of Myrrhinous, Andron son of Androtion and a number of strangers,—fellow-citizens of Hippias and some others. They seemed to be asking him a series of astronomical questions on nature and the heavenly bodies, while he, seated in his chair, was distinguishing and expounding to each in turn the subjects of their questions.
Nay more, Tantalus also did I there behold.
Hom. Od. 11.582 [*]for you know Prodicus of Ceos is in Athens too:
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he was in a certain apartment formerly used by Hipponieus as a strong-room, but now cleared out by Callias to make more space for his numerous visitors, and turned into a guest-chamber. Well, Prodicus was still abed, wrapped up in sundry fleeces and rugs, and plenty of them too, it seemed; and near him on the beds hard by lay Pausanias from Cerames, and with Pausanias a lad who was still quite young, of good birth and breeding, I should say,
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and at all events a very good-looking person. I fancied I heard his name was Agathon, and I should not be surprised to find he is Pausanias favorite.

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Besides this youth there were the two Adeimantuses, sons of Cepis and Leucolophidas, and there seemed to be some others. The subjects of their conversation I was unable to gather from outside, despite my longing to hear Prodicus; for I regard the man as all-wise and divine:

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but owing to the depth of his voice the room was filled with a booming sound which made the talk indistinct.
We had only just come in, when close on our heels entered Alcibiades the good-looking, as you call him and I agree that he is, and Critias, son of Callaeschrus. So, when we had entered, after some more little delays over certain points we had to examine, we went up to Protagoras,
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and I said: Protagoras, you see we have come to you, Hippocrates and I.
Is it your wish,
he asked,
to converse with me alone, or in company with others?
It is all the same to us, I replied: let me first tell you our object in coming, and then you must decide.
Well, what is your object?
he asked.
My friend Hippocrates is a native of the city, a son of Apollodorus and one of a great and prosperous family, while his own natural powers seem to make him a match for anyone of his age.
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I fancy he is anxious to gain consideration in our city, and he believes he can best gain it by consorting with you. So now it is for you to judge whether it will be fittest for you to converse on this matter privately with us alone, or in company with others.
You do right, Socrates,
he said,
to be so thoughtful on my behalf. For when one goes as a stranger into great cities, and there tries to persuade the best of the young men to drop their other connexions, either with their own folk or with foreigners, both old and young, and to join ones own circle, with the promise of improving them by this connexion with oneself,
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such a proceeding requires great caution; since very considerable jealousies are apt to ensue, and numerous enmities and intrigues. Now I tell you that sophistry is an ancient art, and those men of ancient times who practised it, fearing the odium it involved, disguised it in a decent dress, sometimes of poetry, as in the case of Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides sometimes of mystic rites and soothsayings, as did Orpheus, Musaeus and their sects; and sometimes too, I have observed, of athletics, as with Iccus[*] of Tarentum and another still livingas great a sophist as any
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Herodicus[*] of Selymbria, originally of Megara; and music was the disguise employed by your own Agathocles,[*] a great sophist, Pythocleides[*] of Ceos, and many more. All these, as I say, from fear of ill-will made use of these arts
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