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Quite so, I said: I knew that all the time; but that is not what I ask:
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tell me, where did I learn that the good are unjust?
Nowhere,
said Dionysodorus.
Then I do not know this, I said.
You are spoiling the argument,
said Euthydemus to Dionysodorus,
and we shall find that this fellow does not know, and is at once both knowing and unknowing.
At this Dionysodorus reddened. But you, I said, what do you mean, Euthydemus.
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Do you find that your brother, who knows everything, has not spoken aright?
I a brother of Euthydemus?
quickly interposed Dionysodorus.
Whereupon I said: Let me alone, good sir, till Euthydemus has taught me that I know that good men are unjust, and do not grudge me this lesson.
You are running away, Socrates,
said Dionysodorus;
you refuse to answer.
Yes, and with good reason, I said: for I am weaker than
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either one of you, so I have no scruple about running away from the two together. You see, I am sadly inferior to Hercules, who was no match for the hydrathat she-professor who was so clever that she sent forth many heads of debate in place of each one that was cut off; nor for another sort of, crab-professor from the sea freshly, I fancy, arrived on shore; and, when the hero was so bothered with its leftward barks and bites, he summoned his nephew Iolaus to the rescue,
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and he brought him effective relief. But if my Iolaus were to come, he would do more harm than good.[*]
Well, answer this,
said Dionysodorus,
now you have done your descanting: Was Iolaus more Hercules nephew than yours?
I see I had best answer you, Dionysodorus, I said. For you will never cease putting questionsI think I may say I am sure of thisin a grudging, obstructing spirit, so that Euthydemus may not teach me that bit of cleverness.
Then answer,
he said.
Well, I answer, I said, that Iolaus was Hercules nephew, but not mine,
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so far as I can see, in any way whatever. For Patrocles, my brother, was not his father; only Hercules brother Iphicles had a name somewhat similar to his.
And Patrocles,
he said,
is your brother?
Certainly, I said: that is, by the same mother, but not by the same father.
Then he is your brother and not your brother.
Not by the same father, worthy sir, I replied. His father was Chaeredemus, mine Sophroniscus.
So Sophroniscus and Chaeredemus,
he said,
were father?

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