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καὶ εἰ ἄρα τις ἕτερος ἑτέρου ἐπιθυμεῖ, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, 222
222a
ὦ παῖδες, ἢ ἐρᾷ, οὐκ ἄν ποτε ἐπεθύμει οὐδὲ ἤρα οὐδὲ ἐφίλει, εἰ μὴ οἰκεῖός πῃ τῷ ἐρωμένῳ ἐτύγχανεν ὢν ἢ κατὰ τὴν ψυχὴν ἢ κατά τι τῆς ψυχῆς ἦθος ἢ τρόπους ἢ εἶδος.—
πάνυ γε,
ἔφη ὁ Μενέξενος· ὁ δὲ Λύσις ἐσίγησεν.—εἶεν, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ. τὸ μὲν δὴ φύσει οἰκεῖον ἀναγκαῖον ἡμῖν πέφανται φιλεῖν.—
ἔοικεν,
ἔφη.—ἀναγκαῖον ἄρα τῷ γνησίῳ ἐραστῇ καὶ μὴ προσποιήτῳ φιλεῖσθαι ὑπὸ τῶν παιδικῶν.— 222b
ὁ μὲν οὖν Λύσις καὶ ὁ Μενέξενος μόγις πως ἐπενευσάτην, ὁ δὲ Ἱπποθάλης ὑπὸ τῆς ἡδονῆς παντοδαπὰ ἠφίει χρώματα.
καὶ ἐγὼ εἶπον, βουλόμενος τὸν λόγον ἐπισκέψασθαι, εἰ μέν τι τὸ οἰκεῖον τοῦ ὁμοίου διαφέρει, λέγοιμεν ἄν τι, ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ, ὦ Λύσι τε καὶ Μενέξενε, περὶ φίλου, ὃ ἔστιν· εἰ δὲ ταὐτὸν τυγχάνει ὂν ὅμοιόν τε καὶ οἰκεῖον, οὐ ῥᾴδιον ἀποβαλεῖν τὸν πρόσθεν λόγον, ὡς οὐ τὸ ὅμοιον τῷ ὁμοίῳ κατὰ τὴν ὁμοιότητα ἄχρηστον· τὸ δὲ ἄχρηστον φίλον 222c
ὁμολογεῖν πλημμελές. βούλεσθʼ οὖν, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, ἐπειδὴ ὥσπερ μεθύομεν ὑπὸ τοῦ λόγου, συγχωρήσωμεν καὶ φῶμεν ἕτερόν τι εἶναι τὸ οἰκεῖον τοῦ ὁμοίου;—
πάνυ γε.
—πότερον οὖν καὶ τἀγαθὸν οἰκεῖον θήσομεν παντί, τὸ δὲ κακὸν ἀλλότριον εἶναι; ἢ τὸ μὲν κακὸν τῷ κακῷ οἰκεῖον, τῷ δὲ ἀγαθῷ τὸ ἀγαθόν, τῷ δὲ μήτε ἀγαθῷ μήτε κακῷ τὸ μήτε ἀγαθὸν μήτε κακόν;—οὕτως ἐφάτην δοκεῖν σφίσιν ἕκαστον ἑκάστῳ 222d
οἰκεῖον εἶναι.—πάλιν ἄρα, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, ὦ παῖδες, οὓς τὸ πρῶτον λόγους ἀπεβαλόμεθα περὶ φιλίας, εἰς τούτους εἰσπεπτώκαμεν· ὁ γὰρ ἄδικος τῷ ἀδίκῳ καὶ ὁ κακὸς τῷ κακῷ οὐδὲν ἧττον φίλος ἔσται ἢ ὁ ἀγαθὸς τῷ ἀγαθῷ.—
ἔοικεν,
ἔφη.—τί δέ; τὸ ἀγαθὸν καὶ τὸ οἰκεῖον ἂν ταὐτὸν φῶμεν εἶναι, ἄλλο τι ἢ ὁ ἀγαθὸς τῷ ἀγαθῷ μόνον φίλος;—
πάνυ γε.
—ἀλλὰ μὴν καὶ τοῦτό γε ᾠόμεθα ἐξελέγξαι ἡμᾶς αὐτούς· ἢ οὐ μέμνησθε;—
μεμνήμεθα.
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τί οὖν ἂν ἔτι χρησαίμεθα τῷ λόγῳ; ἢ δῆλον ὅτι οὐδέν; δέομαι οὖν, ὥσπερ οἱ σοφοὶ ἐν τοῖς δικαστηρίοις, τὰ εἰρημένα ἅπαντα ἀναπεμπάσασθαι. εἰ γὰρ μήτε οἱ φιλούμενοι μήτε οἱ φιλοῦντες μήτε οἱ ὅμοιοι μήτε οἱ ἀνόμοιοι μήτε οἱ ἀγαθοὶ μήτε οἱ οἰκεῖοι μήτε τὰ ἄλλα ὅσα διεληλύθαμεν—οὐ γὰρ ἔγωγε ἔτι μέμνημαι ὑπὸ τοῦ πλήθους—ἀλλʼ εἰ μηδὲν τούτων φίλον ἐστίν, ἐγὼ μὲν οὐκέτι ἔχω τί λέγω.
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3 |
w |
1446 |
| εἰρημένα |
1 |
w |
1454 |
| ἅπαντα |
1 |
w |
1460 |
| ἀναπεμπάσασθαι |
1 |
w |
1474 |
| εἰ |
8 |
w |
1477 |
| γὰρ |
2 |
w |
1480 |
| μήτε |
5 |
w |
1484 |
| οἱ |
2 |
w |
1486 |
| φιλούμενοι |
1 |
w |
1496 |
| μήτε |
6 |
w |
1500 |
| οἱ |
3 |
w |
1502 |
| φιλοῦντες |
1 |
w |
1511 |
| μήτε |
7 |
w |
1515 |
| οἱ |
4 |
w |
1517 |
| ὅμοιοι |
1 |
w |
1523 |
| μήτε |
8 |
w |
1527 |
| οἱ |
5 |
w |
1529 |
| ἀνόμοιοι |
1 |
w |
1537 |
| μήτε |
9 |
w |
1541 |
| οἱ |
6 |
w |
1543 |
| ἀγαθοὶ |
1 |
w |
1549 |
| μήτε |
10 |
w |
1553 |
| οἱ |
7 |
w |
1555 |
| οἰκεῖοι |
1 |
w |
1562 |
| μήτε |
11 |
w |
1566 |
| τὰ |
4 |
w |
1568 |
| ἄλλα |
1 |
w |
1572 |
| ὅσα |
1 |
w |
1575 |
| διεληλύθαμεν |
1 |
w |
1587 |
| οὐ |
9 |
w |
1590 |
| γὰρ |
3 |
w |
1593 |
| ἔγωγε |
1 |
w |
1598 |
| ἔτι |
2 |
w |
1601 |
| μέμνημαι |
1 |
w |
1609 |
| ὑπὸ |
4 |
w |
1612 |
| τοῦ |
5 |
w |
1615 |
| πλήθους |
1 |
w |
1622 |
| ἀλλʼ |
1 |
w |
1627 |
| εἰ |
9 |
w |
1629 |
| μηδὲν |
1 |
w |
1634 |
| τούτων |
1 |
w |
1640 |
| φίλον |
2 |
w |
1645 |
| ἐστίν |
1 |
w |
1650 |
| ἐγὼ |
2 |
w |
1654 |
| μὲν |
4 |
w |
1657 |
| οὐκέτι |
1 |
w |
1663 |
| ἔχω |
1 |
w |
1666 |
| τί |
5 |
w |
1668 |
| λέγω |
1 |
w |
1672 |