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πότερον, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, πρὸς Διός, ἐὰν τὸ κακὸν ἀπόληται, οὐδὲ πεινῆν ἔτι ἔσται οὐδὲ 221
221a
διψῆν οὐδὲ ἄλλο οὐδὲν τῶν τοιούτων; ἢ πείνη μὲν ἔσται, ἐάνπερ ἄνθρωποί τε καὶ τἆλλα ζῷα ᾖ, οὐ μέντοι βλαβερά γε; καὶ δίψα δὴ καὶ αἱ ἄλλαι ἐπιθυμίαι, ἀλλʼ οὐ κακαί, ἅτε τοῦ κακοῦ ἀπολωλότος; ἢ γελοῖον τὸ ἐρώτημα, ὅτι ποτʼ ἔσται τότε ἢ μὴ ἔσται; τίς γὰρ οἶδεν; ἀλλʼ οὖν τόδε γʼ ἴσμεν, ὅτι καὶ νῦν ἔστιν πεινῶντα βλάπτεσθαι, ἔστιν δὲ καὶ ὠφελεῖσθαι. ἦ γάρ;—
πάνυ γε.
—οὐκοῦν καὶ διψῶντα καὶ 221b
τῶν ἄλλων τῶν τοιούτων πάντων ἐπιθυμοῦντα ἔστιν ἐνίοτε μὲν ὠφελίμως ἐπιθυμεῖν, ἐνίοτε δὲ βλαβερῶς, ἐνίοτε δὲ μηδέτερα;—
σφόδρα γε.
—οὐκοῦν ἐὰν ἀπολλύηται τὰ κακά, ἅ γε μὴ τυγχάνει ὄντα κακά, τί προσήκει τοῖς κακοῖς συναπόλλυσθαι;—
οὐδέν.
—ἔσονται ἄρα αἱ μήτε ἀγαθαὶ μήτε κακαὶ ἐπιθυμίαι καὶ ἐὰν ἀπόληται τὰ κακά.—
φαίνεται.
—οἷόν τε οὖν ἐστιν ἐπιθυμοῦντα καὶ ἐρῶντα τούτου οὗ ἐπιθυμεῖ καὶ ἐρᾷ μὴ φιλεῖν;—
οὐκ ἔμοιγε δοκεῖ.
—ἔσται ἄρα 221c
καὶ τῶν κακῶν ἀπολομένων, ὡς ἔοικεν, φίλʼ ἄττα.—
ναί.
—οὐκ ἄν, εἴ γε τὸ κακὸν αἴτιον ἦν τοῦ φίλον τι εἶναι, οὐκ ἂν ἦν τούτου ἀπολομένου φίλον ἕτερον ἑτέρῳ. αἰτίας γὰρ ἀπολομένης ἀδύνατόν που ἦν ἔτʼ ἐκεῖνο εἶναι, οὗ ἦν αὕτη ἡ αἰτία.—
ὀρθῶς λέγεις.
—οὐκοῦν ὡμολόγηται ἡμῖν τὸ φίλον φιλεῖν τι καὶ διά τι· καὶ ᾠήθημεν τότε γε διὰ τὸ κακὸν τὸ μήτε ἀγαθὸν μήτε κακὸν τὸ ἀγαθὸν φιλεῖν;—
ἀληθῆ.
—221d
νῦν δέ γε, ὡς ἔοικε, φαίνεται ἄλλη τις αἰτία τοῦ φιλεῖν τε καὶ φιλεῖσθαι.—
ἔοικεν.
—ἆρʼ οὖν τῷ ὄντι, ὥσπερ ἄρτι ἐλέγομεν, ἡ ἐπιθυμία τῆς φιλίας αἰτία, καὶ τὸ ἐπιθυμοῦν φίλον ἐστὶν τούτῳ οὗ ἐπιθυμεῖ καὶ τότε ὅταν ἐπιθυμῇ, ὃ δὲ τὸ πρότερον ἐλέγομεν φίλον εἶναι, ὕθλος τις ἦν, ὥσπερ ποίημα μακρὸν συγκείμενον;—
κινδυνεύει,
ἔφη.—ἀλλὰ μέντοι, ἦν δʼ ἐγώ, τό γε ἐπιθυμοῦν, οὗ ἂν ἐνδεὲς ᾖ, τούτου 221e
ἐπιθυμεῖ. ἦ γάρ;—
ναί.
—τὸ δʼ ἐνδεὲς ἄρα φίλον ἐκείνου οὗ ἂν ἐνδεὲς ᾖ;—
δοκεῖ μοι.
—ἐνδεὲς δὲ γίγνεται οὗ ἄν τι ἀφαιρῆται.—
πῶς δʼ οὔ;
—τοῦ οἰκείου δή, ὡς ἔοικεν, ὅ τε ἔρως καὶ ἡ φιλία καὶ ἡ ἐπιθυμία τυγχάνει οὖσα, ὡς φαίνεται, ὦ Μενέξενέ τε καὶ Λύσι.—συνεφάτην.—ὑμεῖς ἄρα εἰ φίλοι ἐστὸν ἀλλήλοις, φύσει πῃ οἰκεῖοί ἐσθʼ ὑμῖν αὐτοῖς.—
κομιδῇ,
ἐφάτην.—
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w |
1499 |
| οἰκείου |
1 |
w |
1506 |
| δή |
1 |
w |
1508 |
| ὡς |
3 |
w |
1511 |
| ἔοικεν |
3 |
w |
1517 |
| ὅ |
4 |
w |
1519 |
| τε |
20 |
w |
1521 |
| ἔρως |
1 |
w |
1525 |
| καὶ |
18 |
w |
1528 |
| ἡ |
4 |
w |
1529 |
| φιλία |
2 |
w |
1534 |
| καὶ |
19 |
w |
1537 |
| ἡ |
5 |
w |
1538 |
| ἐπιθυμία |
4 |
w |
1546 |
| τυγχάνει |
2 |
w |
1554 |
| οὖσα |
1 |
w |
1558 |
| ὡς |
4 |
w |
1561 |
| φαίνεται |
3 |
w |
1569 |
| ὦ |
1 |
w |
1571 |
| Μενέξενέ |
1 |
w |
1579 |
| τε |
21 |
w |
1581 |
| καὶ |
20 |
w |
1584 |
| Λύσι |
1 |
w |
1588 |
| συνεφάτην |
1 |
w |
1599 |
| ὑμεῖς |
1 |
w |
1606 |
| ἄρα |
4 |
w |
1609 |
| εἰ |
1 |
w |
1611 |
| φίλοι |
1 |
w |
1616 |
| ἐστὸν |
1 |
w |
1621 |
| ἀλλήλοις |
1 |
w |
1629 |
| φύσει |
1 |
w |
1635 |
| πῃ |
1 |
w |
1637 |
| οἰκεῖοί |
1 |
w |
1644 |
| ἐσθʼ |
1 |
w |
1648 |
| ὑμῖν |
1 |
w |
1652 |
| αὐτοῖς |
1 |
w |
1658 |
| κομιδῇ |
1 |
w |
1666 |
| ἐφάτην |
1 |
w |
1673 |