Scaife ATLAS

CTS Library / Theaetetus

Theaetetus (193)

urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg006.perseus-eng2:193
Refs {'start': {'reference': '193', 'human_reference': 'None 193'}}
Ancestors []
Children []
prev
plain textXML
next

SOC. See if you follow me better now. If Socrates
193
193a
knows Theodorus and Theaetetus, but sees neither of them and has no other perception of them, he never could have the opinion within himself that Theaetetus is Theodorus. Am I right or wrong?

THEAET. You are right.

SOC. Now that was the first of the cases of which I spoke.

THEAET. Yes, it was.

SOC. The second is this: knowing one of you and not knowing the other, and not perceiving either of you, I never could think that the one whom I know is the one whom I do not know.

THEAET. Right.

SOC. And this is the third case: not knowing and not perceiving either of you,
193b
I could not think that he whom I do not know is someone else whom I do not know. And imagine that you have heard all the other cases again in succession, in which I could never form false opinions about you and Theodorus, either when I know or do not know both of you, or when I know one and not the other; and the same is true if we say perceive instead of know. Do you follow me?

THEAET. I follow you.

SOC. Then the possibility of forming false opinion remains in the following case: when, for example, knowing you and Theodorus, and having on that block of wax
193c
the imprint of both of you, as if you were signet-rings, but seeing you both at a distance and indistinctly, I hasten to assign the proper imprint of each of you to the proper vision, and to make it fit, as it were, its own footprint, with the purpose of causing recognition; [*] but I may fail in this by interchanging them, and put the vision of one upon the imprint of the other, as people put a shoe on the wrong foot; or, again, I may be affected as the sight is affected when we use a mirror and the sight as it flows makes a change from right to left,
193d
and thus make a mistake; it is in such cases, then, that interchanged opinion occurs and the forming of false opinion arises.

THEAET. I think it does, Socrates. You describe what happens to opinion marvelously well.

SOC. There is still the further case, when, knowing both of you, I perceive one in addition to knowing him, but do not perceive the other, and the knowledge which I have of that other is not in accord with my perception. This is the case I described in this way before, and at that time you did not understand me.

THEAET. No, I did not.

SOC. This is what I meant, that if anyone knows
193e
and perceives one of you, and has knowledge of him which accords with the perception, he will never think that he is someone else whom he knows and perceives and his knowledge of whom accords with the perception. That was the case, was it not?

THEAET. Yes.

Tokens

SOC 1 w 3
See 1 w 7
if 1 w 9
you 1 w 12
follow 1 w 18
me 1 w 20
better 1 w 26
now 1 w 29
If 1 w 32
Socrates 1 w 40
knows 1 w 45
Theodorus 1 w 54
and 1 w 57
Theaetetus 1 w 67
but 1 w 71
sees 1 w 75
neither 1 w 82
of 1 w 84
them 1 w 88
and 2 w 91
has 1 w 94
no 3 w 96
other 1 w 101
perception 1 w 111
of 2 w 113
them 2 w 117
he 7 w 120
never 1 w 125
could 1 w 130
have 1 w 134
the 5 w 137
opinion 1 w 144
within 1 w 150
himself 1 w 157
that 1 w 161
Theaetetus 2 w 171
is 1 w 173
Theodorus 2 w 182
Am 1 w 185
I 2 w 186
right 1 w 191
or 3 w 193
wrong 1 w 198
THEAET 1 w 205
You 1 w 209
are 1 w 212
right 2 w 217
SOC 2 w 221
Now 1 w 225
that 2 w 229
was 1 w 232
the 6 w 235
first 1 w 240
of 3 w 242
the 7 w 245
cases 1 w 250
of 4 w 252
which 1 w 257
I 3 w 258
spoke 1 w 263
THEAET 2 w 270
Yes 1 w 274
it 3 w 277
was 2 w 280
SOC 3 w 284
The 5 w 288
second 1 w 294
is 2 w 296
this 1 w 300
knowing 1 w 308
one 1 w 311
of 5 w 313
you 2 w 316
and 3 w 319
not 1 w 322
knowing 2 w 329
the 8 w 332
other 2 w 337
and 4 w 341
not 2 w 344
perceiving 1 w 354
either 2 w 360
of 6 w 362
you 3 w 365
I 4 w 367
never 2 w 372
could 2 w 377
think 1 w 382
that 3 w 386
the 11 w 389
one 2 w 392
whom 1 w 396
I 5 w 397
know 4 w 401
is 4 w 403
the 12 w 406
one 3 w 409
whom 2 w 413
I 6 w 414
do 3 w 416
not 3 w 419
know 5 w 423
THEAET 3 w 430
Right 1 w 436
SOC 4 w 440
And 1 w 444
this 2 w 448
is 6 w 450
the 13 w 453
third 1 w 458
case 2 w 462
not 4 w 466
knowing 3 w 473
and 5 w 476
not 5 w 479
perceiving 2 w 489
either 3 w 495
of 7 w 497
you 4 w 500
I 7 w 502
could 3 w 507
not 6 w 510
think 2 w 515
that 4 w 519
he 21 w 521
whom 3 w 525
I 8 w 526
do 4 w 528
not 7 w 531
know 7 w 535
is 7 w 537
someone 1 w 544
else 1 w 548
whom 4 w 552
I 9 w 553
do 5 w 555
not 8 w 558
know 8 w 562
And 2 w 566
imagine 1 w 573
that 5 w 577
you 5 w 580
have 2 w 584
heard 1 w 589
all 1 w 592
the 15 w 595
other 3 w 600
cases 2 w 605
again 1 w 610
in 12 w 612
succession 1 w 622
in 13 w 625
which 2 w 630
I 10 w 631
could 4 w 636
never 3 w 641
form 1 w 645
false 1 w 650
opinions 1 w 658
about 1 w 663
you 6 w 666
and 6 w 669
Theodorus 3 w 678
either 4 w 685
when 1 w 689
I 11 w 690
know 9 w 694
or 6 w 696
do 7 w 698
not 9 w 701
know 10 w 705
both 1 w 709
of 8 w 711
you 7 w 714
or 7 w 717
when 2 w 721
I 12 w 722
know 11 w 726
one 5 w 729
and 7 w 732
not 10 w 735
the 18 w 738
other 4 w 743
and 8 w 747
the 20 w 750
same 1 w 754
is 8 w 756
true 1 w 760
if 2 w 762
we 1 w 764
say 1 w 767
perceive 1 w 775
instead 1 w 782
of 9 w 784
know 12 w 788
Do 1 w 791
you 8 w 794
follow 2 w 800
me 4 w 802
THEAET 4 w 809
I 13 w 811
follow 3 w 817
you 9 w 820
SOC 5 w 824
Then 1 w 829
the 21 w 832
possibility 1 w 843
of 10 w 845
forming 1 w 852
false 2 w 857
opinion 3 w 864
remains 1 w 871
in 19 w 873
the 22 w 876
following 1 w 885
case 4 w 889
when 3 w 894
for 3 w 898
example 1 w 905
knowing 4 w 913
you 10 w 916
and 9 w 919
Theodorus 4 w 928
and 10 w 932
having 1 w 938
on 13 w 940
that 6 w 944
block 1 w 949
of 11 w 951
wax 1 w 954
the 23 w 957
imprint 1 w 964
of 12 w 966
both 2 w 970
of 13 w 972
you 11 w 975
as 8 w 978
if 3 w 980
you 12 w 983
were 1 w 987
signet-rings 1 w 999
but 2 w 1003
seeing 1 w 1009
you 13 w 1012
both 3 w 1016
at 8 w 1018
a 47 w 1019
distance 1 w 1027
and 11 w 1030
indistinctly 1 w 1042
I 14 w 1044
hasten 1 w 1050
to 1 w 1052
assign 1 w 1058
the 24 w 1061
proper 1 w 1067
imprint 2 w 1074
of 14 w 1076
each 1 w 1080
of 15 w 1082
you 14 w 1085
to 2 w 1087
the 25 w 1090
proper 2 w 1096
vision 1 w 1102
and 12 w 1106
to 3 w 1108
make 1 w 1112
it 8 w 1114
fit 1 w 1117
as 11 w 1120
it 10 w 1122
were 2 w 1126
its 1 w 1130
own 1 w 1133
footprint 1 w 1142
with 2 w 1147
the 26 w 1150
purpose 1 w 1157
of 16 w 1159
causing 1 w 1166
recognition 1 w 1177
Aesch 1 w 1183
Lib 1 w 1187
197 1 w 1191
ff 1 w 1193
makes 1 w 1199
Electra 1 w 1206
recognize 1 w 1215
the 27 w 1218
presence 1 w 1226
of 17 w 1228
her 9 w 1231
brother 1 w 1238
Orestes 1 w 1245
by 1 w 1247
the 29 w 1250
likeness 1 w 1258
of 18 w 1260
his 3 w 1263
footprints 1 w 1273
to 4 w 1275
her 11 w 1278
own 2 w 1281
but 3 w 1285
I 15 w 1286
may 1 w 1289
fail 1 w 1293
in 32 w 1295
this 3 w 1299
by 2 w 1301
interchanging 1 w 1314
them 3 w 1318
and 13 w 1322
put 1 w 1325
the 31 w 1328
vision 2 w 1334
of 19 w 1336
one 6 w 1339
upon 1 w 1343
the 32 w 1346
imprint 3 w 1353
of 20 w 1355
the 33 w 1358
other 6 w 1363
as 12 w 1366
people 1 w 1372
put 2 w 1375
a 64 w 1376
shoe 1 w 1380
on 19 w 1382
the 35 w 1385
wrong 2 w 1390
foot 3 w 1394
or 11 w 1397
again 2 w 1403
I 16 w 1405
may 2 w 1408
be 2 w 1410
affected 1 w 1418
as 13 w 1420
the 36 w 1423
sight 1 w 1428
is 15 w 1430
affected 2 w 1438
when 4 w 1442
we 4 w 1444
use 1 w 1447
a 71 w 1448
mirror 1 w 1454
and 14 w 1457
the 37 w 1460
sight 2 w 1465
as 14 w 1467
it 14 w 1469
flows 1 w 1474
makes 2 w 1479
a 75 w 1480
change 1 w 1486
from 1 w 1490
right 3 w 1495
to 5 w 1497
left 1 w 1501
and 15 w 1505
thus 1 w 1509
make 4 w 1513
a 79 w 1514
mistake 1 w 1521
it 15 w 1524
is 17 w 1526
in 37 w 1528
such 1 w 1532
cases 3 w 1537
then 1 w 1542
that 7 w 1547
interchanged 1 w 1559
opinion 4 w 1566
occurs 1 w 1572
and 16 w 1575
the 39 w 1578
forming 2 w 1585
of 21 w 1587
false 3 w 1592
opinion 5 w 1599
arises 1 w 1605
THEAET 5 w 1612
I 17 w 1614
think 3 w 1619
it 16 w 1621
does 1 w 1625
Socrates 2 w 1634
You 2 w 1638
describe 1 w 1646
what 1 w 1650
happens 1 w 1657
to 6 w 1659
opinion 6 w 1666
marvelously 1 w 1677
well 1 w 1681
SOC 6 w 1685
There 1 w 1691
is 19 w 1693
still 1 w 1698
the 40 w 1701
further 1 w 1708
case 6 w 1712
when 5 w 1717
knowing 5 w 1725
both 4 w 1729
of 22 w 1731
you 15 w 1734
I 18 w 1736
perceive 2 w 1744
one 7 w 1747
in 45 w 1749
addition 1 w 1757
to 7 w 1759
knowing 6 w 1766
him 2 w 1769
but 4 w 1773
do 10 w 1775
not 11 w 1778
perceive 3 w 1786
the 42 w 1789
other 7 w 1794
and 17 w 1798
the 44 w 1801
knowledge 1 w 1810
which 3 w 1815
I 19 w 1816
have 3 w 1820
of 23 w 1822
that 8 w 1826
other 8 w 1831
is 20 w 1833
not 12 w 1836
in 47 w 1838
accord 1 w 1844
with 3 w 1848
my 1 w 1850
perception 2 w 1860
This 1 w 1865
is 22 w 1867
the 46 w 1870
case 7 w 1874
I 20 w 1875
described 1 w 1884
in 48 w 1886
this 4 w 1890
way 1 w 1893
before 1 w 1899
and 18 w 1903
at 13 w 1905
that 9 w 1909
time 1 w 1913
you 16 w 1916
did 1 w 1919
not 13 w 1922
understand 1 w 1932
me 6 w 1934
THEAET 6 w 1941
No 2 w 1944
I 21 w 1946
did 2 w 1949
not 14 w 1952
SOC 7 w 1956
This 2 w 1961
is 25 w 1963
what 2 w 1967
I 22 w 1968
meant 1 w 1973
that 10 w 1978
if 4 w 1980
anyone 1 w 1986
knows 2 w 1991
and 20 w 1994
perceives 1 w 2003
one 9 w 2006
of 24 w 2008
you 17 w 2011
and 21 w 2015
has 3 w 2018
knowledge 2 w 2027
of 25 w 2029
him 3 w 2032
which 4 w 2037
accords 1 w 2044
with 4 w 2048
the 47 w 2051
perception 3 w 2061
he 67 w 2064
will 1 w 2068
never 4 w 2073
think 4 w 2078
that 11 w 2082
he 68 w 2084
is 26 w 2086
someone 2 w 2093
else 2 w 2097
whom 5 w 2101
he 69 w 2103
knows 3 w 2108
and 22 w 2111
perceives 2 w 2120
and 23 w 2123
his 8 w 2126
knowledge 3 w 2135
of 26 w 2137
whom 6 w 2141
accords 2 w 2148
with 5 w 2152
the 48 w 2155
perception 4 w 2165
That 1 w 2170
was 3 w 2173
the 49 w 2176
case 8 w 2180
was 4 w 2184
it 21 w 2186
not 15 w 2189
THEAET 7 w 2196
Yes 2 w 2200