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Pass on, and now see
how the parasite looks! In the first place, is he not
generous in his proportions and pleasing in his
complexion, neither dark nor fair of skin; for the
one befits a woman, and the other a slave; and
besides, has he not a spirited look, with a fiery
glance like mine, high and bloodshot? It is not
becoming, you know, to go into battle with a
timorous and womanish eye. Would not such a man
make a fine soldier in life and a fine corpse if he
should die?<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.285.n.1"><p>Cf. Tyrtaeus8, 29-30, and § 55.  </p></note>

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But what is the good of guessing about all this,
when we have historical examples? To put it
briefly, in war, of all the rhetoricians and_philosophers that ever were, some have not dared to go
outside the walls at all, and if any one of them ever
took the field under compulsion, he deserted his
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<label>TYCHIADES</label>
What assertions, all surprising and none moderate!
But say your say, nevertheless.
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Among the followers of rhetoric, Isocrates not only
never went to war but never even went to court,
through cowardice, I assume, as that is why he could
not even keep his voice.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.287.n.1"><p>Every schoolboy knew—such was the interest in rhetoric— that Isocrates did not practise in the courts because his voice was too weak. The author pretends to think that its weakness must have been due to fright, and that therefore he was a terrible coward. </p></note> And did not Demades
and Aeschines and Philocrates, through fright,
directly upon the declaration of war against Philip,
betray their city and themselves to Philip and
continually direct public affairs at Athens in the
interest of that man, who was waging war upon the
Athenians at that time, if ever a man was; and
he was their friend. Moreover, Hyperides and
Demosthenes and Lycurgus, who put up a more
courageous front and were always making an uproar
and abusing Philip in the assemblies—what on earth
did they do that was valiant in the war with him?
Hyperides and Lycurgus did not even take the
field—why, they did not even dare to show their
heads just outside the gates, but safe within the
walls, they sat at home as if the city were already
besieged, framing trivial motions and petty resolutions! And as for the topmost of them, the
man who was continually talking in the assembly
about “Philip, the scoundrel from Macedon, where
one could never even buy a decent slave!”<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.287.n.2"><p>Demosthenes, Third Philippic 31.  </p></note> he did



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venture to join the advance into Boeotia, but before
the armies joined battle and began to fight at close
quarters he threw away his shield and fled!<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.289.n.1"><p>The story that Demosthenes played the coward at Chaeronea was spread by his political enemies Aeschines (3, 244; 253) and Pytheas (Plut. Demosth. 20); see also Gellius 17, 21. </p></note> Has
nobody ever told you that before? It is very well
known, not only to the Athenians, but to the people
of Thrace and Scythia, where that vagabond came
from.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.289.n.2"><p>Cleobule, the mother of Demosthenes, was said to be Scythian on her mother’s side (Aesch. 3, 171). </p></note>

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I know all that. They were orators, however, who
cultivated speech-making, not virtue. What have
you to say about the philosophers? Surely you are
not able to censure them as you did the others.
</p><p><label>SIMON</label>
They in turn, Tychiades, though they talk every
day about courage and wear the word virtue smooth,
will be found far more cowardly and effeminate than
the orators. Look at it from this standpoint. Inthe
first place, there is nobody that can mention a
philosopher who died in battle; either they did not
enter the service at all, or if they did, every one of
them ran away. Antisthenes, Diogenes, Crates, Zeno,
Plato, Aeschines, Aristotle, and all that motley array
never even saw a line of battle. The only one who
had the courage to go out for the battle at Delium,
their wise Socrates, fled the field, fleeing for cover all
the way from Parnes to the gymnasium of Taureas.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.289.n.3"><p>As a matter of fact Socrates displayed conspicuous valour in the retreat from Delium. (Plato, Laches 181 B). The allusion to the gymnasium of Taureas rests upon a hazy recollection of the opening of the Charmides, where Socrates says that he visited it on the morning after his return from Pole Furthermore, there were no Spartan troops at Delium.  </p></note>




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He thought it far nicer to sit and philander with
boys and propound petty sophistries to anyone who
should come along than to fight with a Spartan
soldier.
</p><p><label>TYCHIADES</label>
My excellent friend, I have already heard this
from others, who certainly did not wish to ridicule
or libel them; so I do not in the least think that
you are belying them out of partiality to your own
art.
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But if you are now willing, tell what the
parasite is like in war, and whether anybody at all
among the ancient heroes is said to have been a
parasite.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.291.n.1"><p>The first orators were found in Homer; notably Odysseus, Nestor, Menelaus. Alsothe beginnings of philosophy (Philod. 2, frg. xxi). So the first parasites should be found there. </p></note>
<label>SIMON</label>
Why, my dear friend, no one is so unfamiliar with
Homer, even if he is completely unlettered, as not to
know that in him the noblest of the heroes are
parasites! The famous Nestor, from whose tongue
speech flowed like honey, was parasite to the king’
himself; and neither Achilles, who seemed and was
the finest in physique, nor Diomed nor Ajax was so
lauded and admired by Agamemnon as Nestor. He
does not pray to have ten of Ajax or ten of Achilles,
but says that he would long ago have taken Troy if
he had had ten soldiers like that parasite, old as he
was.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.291.n.2"><p>Iliad 2, 371-374. </p></note> Idomeneus, too, the son of Zeus, is similarly
spoken of as parasite to Agamemnon.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.291.n.3"><p>Iliad 4, 257-263.  </p></note>




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</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg030.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="45"><p><label>TYCHIADES</label>
Of course I myself know all this, but I do not
think that I yet see how the two men were parasites
to Agamemnon.
</p><p><label>SIMON</label>
Remember, my friend, those lines that Agamemnon
himself addresses to Idomeneus.
</p><p><label>TYCHIADES</label>
What lines?
</p><p><label>SIMON</label><cit><quote><l part="F">Your beaker has always</l><l>Stood full, even as mine, to be drunk when the spirit should move you.</l></quote><bibl>Iliad4, 262-263.</bibl></cit>

For in saying there that the beaker “always stood
full,’ he did not mean that Idomeneus’ cup stood full
under all circumstances, even when he fought or
when he slept, but that he alone was privileged to
eat with the king all the days of his life, unlike
the rest of the soldiers, who were invited only on
certain days.
As for Ajax, when he had fought gloriously in
single combat with Hector,
<cit><quote><l>they brought him to
great Agamemnon,</l></quote><bibl>Iliad7, 312.</bibl></cit>

Homer says, and by way of
special honour, he was at last counted worthy of
sharing the king’s table. But Idomeneus and Nestor
dined with the king daily, as he himself says.
Nestor, indeed, in my opinion was the most workmanlike and efficient parasite among the kings; he
began the art, not in the time of Agamemnon, but
away back in the time of Caeneus and Exadius,<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.293.n.1"><p>Two generations earlier; Iliad1, 250, 264.  </p></note>


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and by all appearances would never have stopped
practising it if Agamemnon had not been killed.
</p><p><label>TYCHIADES</label>
He was a doughty parasite, I grant you. Try to
name some more, if you know of any.

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