Least of all, he said. I fancy, at any rate, said I, that the just and the honorable, if their relation and reference to the good is not known,The personal or ab urbe condita construction. Cf. 169 E. will not have secured a guardianthe guardians must be able to give a reason, which they can do only by reference to the sanction. For the idea that the statesman must know better than other men. Cf. 968 A, 964 C, 858 C-E, 817 C, Xen iii. 6. 8. of much worth in the man thus ignorant, and my surmise is that no one will understand them adequately before he knows this. You surmise well, he said. Then our constitution will have its perfect and definitive organizationFor the effect of the future perfect cf. 457 B λελέξεται465 A προστετάξεται, Eurip. 980 πεπράξεται. only when such a guardian, who knows these things, oversees it. Necessarily, he said. But you yourself, Socrates, do you think that knowledge is the good or pleasure or something else and different? What a man it is, said I; you made it very plainFor the personal construction 348 E, Isoc. καταφανής is a variation in this idiom for δῆλος. Cf. also 189 C, 221 B, 162 C, etc. long ago that you would not be satisfied with what others think about it. Why, it does not seem right to me either, Socrates, he said, to be ready to state the opinions of others but not one’s own when one has occupied himself with the matter so long.Cf. 367 D-E. But then, said I, do you think it right to speak as having knowledge about things one does not know? By no means, he said, as having knowledge, but one ought to be willing to tell as his opinion what he opines. Nay, said I, have you not observed that opinions divorced from knowledgeThis is not a contradiction of 97 B, 201 B-C and 62 A-B, but simply a different context and emphasis. Cf. p. 47, nn. 338 and 339. are ugly things? The best of them are blind.Cf. on 484 C, 270 E. Or do you think that those who hold some true opinion without intelligence differ appreciably from blind men who go the right way? They do not differ at all, he said. Is it, then, ugly things that you prefer to contemplate, things blind and crooked, when you might hear from others what is luminousProbably an allusion to the revelation of the mysteries. Cf. 250 C, 16 C, 518 C, 478 C, 479 D, 518 A. It is fantastic to see in it a reference to what Cicero calls the lumina orationis of Isocratean style. The rhetoric and synonyms of this passage are not to be pressed. and fair? Nay, in heaven’s name, Socrates, said Glaucon, do not draw back, as it were, at the very goal.Cf. 64 C ἐπὶ μὲν τοῖς τοῦ ἀγαθοῦ ἤδη προθύροις, we are now in the vestibule of the good. For it will content us if you explain the good even as you set forth the nature of justice, sobriety, and the other virtues. It will right wellκαὶ μάλα, jolly well, humorous emphasis on the point that it is much easier to define the conventional virtues than to explain the sanction. Cf. 189 A, 298 D-E, Herod. viii. 66. It is frequent in the Ritter gives forty-seven cases. I have fifty-four! But the point that matters is the humorous tone. Cf. e.g. 610 E. content me, my dear fellow, I said, but I fear that my powers may fail and that in my eagerness I may cut a sorry figure and become a laughing-stock.Excess of Zeal, προθυμία, seemed laughable to the Greeks. Cf. my interpretation of i. in fine, xxii. (1927) pp. 222-223. Nay, my beloved, let us dismiss for the time being the nature of the good in itself;Cf. More, p. 17 Good, then, is indefinable; and yet, so far as I know, there is only one ethical writer, Professor Henry Sidgwick, who has clearly recognized and stated this fact. for to attain to my present surmise of that seems a pitch above the impulse that wings my flight today.This is not superstitious mysticism but a deliberate refusal to confine in a formula what requires either a volume or a symbol. See Introd. p. xxvii, and my p. 212. τὰ νῦν repeats τὸ νῦν εἶναι (Cf. 48 C), as the evasive phrase εἰσαῦθις below sometimes lays the topic on the table, never to be taken up again. Cf. 347 E and 430 C. But of what seems to be the offspring of the good and most nearly made in its likenessCf. 897 D-E, 246 A. I am willing to speak if you too wish it, and otherwise to let the matter drop. Well, speak on, he said, for you will duly pay me the tale of the parent another time.