<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg027.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="537"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="537"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="537a"/><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>Why, does not Homer speak a good deal about arts, in a good many places?  For instance, about chariot-driving:  if I can recall the lines, I will quote them to you.</p></said><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p>No, I will recite them, for I can remember.</p></said><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>Tell me then what Nestor says to his son Antilochus, advising him to be careful about the turning-post in the horse-race in honor of Patroclus.</p></said><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p><cit><quote type="verse"><l met="dactylic">Bend thyself in the polished car slightly to the left of them; <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">i.e. one of the two white stones, set up at each end of the course, which had been mentioned six lines before.</note> and call to the right-hand horse <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="537b"/> and goad him on, while your hand slackens his reins.  And at the post let your left-hand horse swerve close, so that the nave of the well-wrought wheel may seem to come up to the edge of the stone, which yet avoid to touch.</l></quote><bibl>Hom. Il. 23.335 ff.</bibl></cit></p></said><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>Enough.  Now, Ion, will a doctor or a charioteer be the better judge <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="537c"/> whether Homer speaks correctly or not in these lines?</p></said><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p>A charioteer, of course.</p></said><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>Because he has this art, or for some other reason?</p></said><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p>No, because it is his art.</p></said><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>And to every art has been apportioned by God a power of knowing a particular business?  For I take it that what we know by the art of piloting we cannot also know by that of medicine.</p></said><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p>No, to be sure.</p></said><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>And what we know by medicine, we cannot by carpentry also?</p></said><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p>No, indeed.</p></said><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="537d"/><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>And this rule holds for all the arts, that what we know by one of them we cannot know by another?  But before you answer that, just tell me this:  do you agree that one art is of one sort, and another of another?</p></said><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p>Yes.</p></said><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>Do you argue this as I do, and call one art different from another when one is a knowledge of one kind of thing, and another a knowledge of another kind?</p></said><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="537e"/><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p>Yes.</p></said><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><p>Since, I suppose, if it were a knowledge of the same things—how could we say that one was different from another, when both could give us the same knowledge?  Just as I know that there are five of these fingers, and you equally know the same fact about them;  and if I should ask you whether both you and I know this same fact by the same art of numeration, or by different arts, you would reply, I presume, that it was by the same?</p></said><said who="#Ion"><label>Ion.</label><p>Yes.</p></said></div></div></body></text></TEI>