<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg022.perseus-eng1" xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg022.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="343"><said who="#Socrates" rend="merge"><label>Soc.</label><p>Hence this very truth has been observed by certain persons both in our day and in former times—that the Spartan cult is much more the pursuit of wisdom than of athletics; for they know that a man’s ability <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="343"/><milestone unit="section" n="343a"/> to utter such remarks is to be ascribed to his perfect education. Such men were Thales of <name type="place" key="perseus,Miletus">Miletus</name>, Pittacus of <name type="place" key="perseus,Mytilene">Mytilene</name>, Bias of <name type="place" key="perseus,Priene">Priene</name>, Solon of our city, Cleobulus of <name type="place" key="tgn,7011269">Lindus</name>, Myson of Chen, and, last of the traditional seven, Chilon of <name type="place" key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</name>. All these were enthusiasts, lovers and disciples of the Spartan culture; and you can recognize that character in their wisdom by the short, memorable sayings that fell from each of them they assembled together <milestone unit="section" n="343b"/> and dedicated these as the first-fruits of their lore to Apollo in his Delphic temple, inscribing there those maxims which are on every tongue—<q type="spoken">Know thyself</q> and <q type="spoken">Nothing overmuch.</q> To what intent do I say this? To show how the ancient philosophy had this style of laconic brevity; and so it was that the saying of Pittacus was privately handed about with high approbation among the sages—that it is hard to be good. <milestone unit="section" n="343c"/> Then Simonides, ambitious to get a name for wisdom, perceived that if he could overthrow this saying, as one might some famous athlete, and become its conqueror, he would win fame himself amongst men of that day. Accordingly it was against this saying, and with this aim, that he composed the whole poem as a means of covertly assailing and abasing this maxim, as it seems to me.<note resp="Loeb" anchored="true" place="unspecified">In this view of the purpose of the poem (which is to show that there is no lasting perfection in human life), and in the detailed commentary that follows, Socrates is aping the disquisitions of the more literary sophists (e.g., Hippias, who warmly approves, <bibl n="Plat. Prot. 347a">Plat. Prot. 347a</bibl>).</note> 

    <milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Now let us all combine in considering whether my account is really true. The opening of the ode must at once appear crazy if, while intending to say that <milestone unit="section" n="343d"/> it is hard for a man to become good, he inserted <q type="emph">indeed.</q> There is no sort of sense, I imagine, in this insertion, unless we suppose that Simonides is addressing himself to the saying of Pittacus as a disputant: Pittacus says—It is hard to be good; and the poet controverts this by observing—No, but to become good, indeed, is hard for a man, Pittacus, truly—not truly good; he does not mention truth in this connexion, <milestone unit="section" n="343e"/>  or imply that some things are truly good, while others are good but not truly so: this would seem silly and unlike Simonides.</p></said></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="344"><said who="#Socrates" rend="merge"><label>Soc.</label><p>We must rather take the <q type="emph">truly</q> as a poetical transposition, and first quote the saying of Pittacus in some such way as this: let us suppose Pittacus himself to be speaking and Simonides replying, as thus—Good people, he says, it is hard to be good; and the poet answers—Pittacus, <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="344"/><milestone unit="section" n="344a"/> what you say is not true, for it is not being but becoming good, indeed—in hands and feet and mind foursquare, fashioned without reproach—that is truly hard. In this way we see a purpose in the insertion of <q type="emph">indeed,</q> and that the <q type="emph">truly</q> is correctly placed at the end; and all that comes after corroborates this view of his meaning. There are many points in the various expressions of the poem  <milestone unit="section" n="344b"/> which might be instanced to show its fine composition, for it is a work of very elegant and elaborate art; but it would take too long to detail all its beauties. However, let us go over its general outline and intention, which is assuredly to refute Pittacus’ saying, throughout the ode.
                      
<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Proceeding a little way on from our passage, just as though he were making a speech, he says to become, indeed, a good man is truly hard (not but what it is possible for a certain space of time); <q type="emph">but to continue in this state of what one has become,  <milestone unit="section" n="344c"/> and to <emph>be</emph> a good man</q> is, as you say, Pittacus, impossible, superhuman: God alone can have this privilege—<cit><quote type="verse"><l ana="#met-u">For that man cannot help but be bad</l><l>Whom irresistible mischance has overthrown.</l></quote><bibl>Simonides 37.1.14-16</bibl></cit> Now who is it that an irresistible mischance overthrows in the command of a ship? Clearly not the ordinary man, for he may be overcome at any time; just as you cannot knock over one who is lying down, but one who is standing; you might knock over a standing man so as to make him lie down,  <milestone unit="section" n="344d"/> not one who is lying down already. So it is a man apt to resist that an irresistible mischance would overthrow, and not one who could never resist anything. A great storm breaking over a steersman will render him helpless, and a severe season will leave a farmer helpless, and a doctor will be in the same case. For the good has the capacity of becoming bad, as we have witness in another poet<note resp="Loeb" anchored="true" place="unspecified">Unknown.</note> who said—<quote type="verse"><l ana="#met-dactylic">Nay more, the virtuous man is at one time bad, at another good.</l></quote> <bibl>unknown</bibl>whereas the bad man has no capacity for becoming, but must ever be, what he is;  <milestone unit="section" n="344e"/> so that when an irresistible mischance overthrows him who is resourceful, wise, and good, he cannot but be bad; and you say, Pittacus, that it is hard to be good—that is, to become good, indeed, is hard, though possible, but to be good is impossible: for—<note resp="Loeb" anchored="true" place="unspecified">The quotation of Simonides’ poem is resumed (from <bibl n="Plat. Prot. 344c">Plat. Prot. 344c</bibl>).</note> <cit><quote type="verse"><l ana="#met-u">If he hath fared well, every man is good;</l><l>Bad, if ill.</l></quote><bibl>Simonides Fr. 37.1.17</bibl></cit> </p></said></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="345"><said who="#Socrates" rend="merge"><label>Soc.</label><p>Now what is good faring in letters—the thing <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="345"/><milestone unit="section" n="345a"/> that makes a man good at them? Clearly, the study of letters. What welfare makes a good doctor? Clearly, the study of the cure of the ailing. <quote>Bad, if ill</quote>: who could become a bad doctor? Clearly, he who in the first place is a doctor, and in the second, a good doctor; for he could become a bad one also: whereas we, who are laymen in respect of medicine, could never by faring ill become either doctors or joiners or anything else of that sort;  <milestone unit="section" n="345b"/> and if one cannot become a doctor by faring ill, clearly one cannot become a bad one either. In the same way the good man may one day become bad through the effect either of time or work or illness or some other accident; for there is only one sort of ill fare—the deprivation of knowledge. But the bad man can never become bad: he is that always. If he is to become bad, he must previously become good. Hence the upshot of this part of the poem  <milestone unit="section" n="345c"/> is that it is impossible to be a good man, continuing to be good, but possible to become good, and bad also, in the case of the same person. And then—<quote type="verse">Best also for the longest space are they whom the gods love.</quote> <bibl>Simonides Fr. 37.1.19</bibl> 
                      
                      <milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>All this has been said with reference to Pittacus, as is made still plainer by the ensuing verses, in which he says—<cit><quote type="verse">Therefore never shall I, in quest of what cannot come to pass, vainly cast my life’s lot upon a hope impracticable—of finding a man wholly blameless amongst us who partake of the fruit of the broad-based earth. If I light upon him, be sure I will report it—</quote><bibl>Simonides Fr. 37.1.22ff.</bibl></cit> says he;  <milestone unit="section" n="345d"/> and in this vehement tone he pursues the saying of Pittacus all through the poem:<cit><quote type="verse">But I praise and love everyone willingly committing no baseness; for against necessity not even the gods make war.</quote><bibl>Simonides Fr. 37.1.27ff.</bibl></cit> This also is spoken with the same intent. For Simonides was not so ill-educated as to say that he praised a person who willingly did no evil, as though there were some who did evil willingly. I am fairly sure of this—that none of the wise men considers that anybody ever willingly errs  <milestone unit="section" n="345e"/> or willingly does base and evil deeds; they are well aware that all who do base and evil things do them unwillingly; and so Simonides does not say he gives his praise to the person who willingly does no evil, but uses the word <q type="mentioned">willingly</q> of himself.</p></said></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="346"><said who="#Socrates" rend="merge"><label>Soc.</label><p>For he considered that a man of sense and honor often constrains himself <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="346"/><milestone unit="section" n="346a"/> to become a friend and approver of some person, as when a man chances to have an uncongenial mother or father or country or other such connexion. Now when this sort of thing befalls the wicked, they seem glad to see their parents’ or country’s faults, and complainingly point them out and inveigh against them, in order that their own neglect of them may not be denounced by their neighbors, who might otherwise reproach them for being so neglectful; and hence they multiply  <milestone unit="section" n="346b"/> their complaints and add voluntary to unavoidable feuds. But good men, he knew, conceal the trouble and constrain themselves to praise, and if they have any reason to be angered against their parents or country for some wrong done to them they pacify and conciliate their feelings, compelling themselves to love and praise their own people. And many a time, I think, Simonides was conscious that he had praised and eulogized some tyrant or other such person, not willingly,  <milestone unit="section" n="346c"/> but under compulsion. So he proceeds to tell Pittacus—I, Pittacus, do not reproach you merely because I am apt to reproach, since—<cit><quote type="verse">For my part I am content with whosoever is not evil or too intractable. He who knows Right, the support of a city, is a healthy man; him I shall never blame, for to blame I am not apt. Infinite is the race of fools.</quote><bibl>Simonides Fr. 37.1.33ff.</bibl></cit> So that whoever delights in reproaching would have his fill of blaming them: <quote>Verily, all things are fair that have in them no admixture of base.</quote> By this he does not mean to say, as it were, that all things are white  <milestone unit="section" n="346d"/> that have no admixture of black; that would be ridiculous in many ways; but that he himself accepts the average sort without reproaching them. <quote type="paraphrase">I do not seek,</quote> said he, <quote type="paraphrase">a man wholly blameless amongst us who partake of the fruit of the broad-based earth: if I light upon him, be sure I will report it</quote>—meaning, <q type="emph">If I wait for that, I shall never find anyone to praise. No, I am content if a man be average and do nothing evil, since I love and praise all</q>—and there he has used a Mytilenaean word,<note resp="Loeb" anchored="true" place="unspecified">The form of the word <foreign xml:lang="greek">ἐπαίνημι</foreign> is pedantically adduced to emphasize the poet’s censure of Pittacus.</note> for his  <milestone unit="section" n="346e"/> <q type="emph">I praise and love all willingly</q> is addressed to Pittacus (here at <q type="emph">willingly</q> one should make a pause);—<q type="emph">all who commit nothing base, but some there are whom I praise and love unwillingly.</q></p></said></div></div></body></text></TEI>