<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg017.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="125"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="125"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="125a"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> You scoundrel! So you were desiring to govern us, all the time that you were blaming your father for not sending you to some seminary of despots! And you, Demodocus, are you not ashamed of having known all the time what he is desiring, and though you could have sent him where you would have made him an expert in the wisdom which he desires, actually grudging it to him and refusing to send him? But now, look here, as he has declared against you in my presence, shall you and I consult together on the question of whose school we shall send him to, and whose classes will help him to become a wise despot?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="125b"/><p><said who="#Demodocus"><label>Dem.</label> Yes, in faith, Socrates, let us certainly consult, as I feel this is a matter on which no slight counsel is needed.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> By and by, my good sir. Let us first cross-examine him thoroughly.</said></p><p><said who="#Demodocus"><label>Dem.</label> Examine him then.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Well now, what if we called in Euripides to our aid, Theages? For you know Euripides says:<quote type="verse"><l met="iambic">Despots are wise by converse with the wise.</l></quote><bibl> Soph. Fr. 14.1</bibl> <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">This line, also quoted and attributed to Euripides in <bibl n="Plat. Rep. 568a">Plat. Rep. 568a</bibl>, appears to belong really to Sophocles’ lost tragedy <title>The Locrian Ajax</title>.</note>  Now, if someone should ask Euripides:  Euripides, in what <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="125c"/> are these men wise, by whose converse you say that despots are wise? I mean, suppose he had said:<quote type="verse"><l met="iambic">Farmers are wise by converse with the wise,</l></quote>and we had asked him,—Wise in what?—what answer would he have given us? Surely none other than,—In farming.</said></p><p><said who="#Theages"><label>The.</label> That, and none other.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Or again, if he had said:<quote type="verse"><l met="iambic">Piemen are wise by converse with the wise,</l></quote>and we had asked him, Wise in what?—what answer would he have given us? He would have said,—In the pie-making business,—would he not?</said></p><p><said who="#Theages"><label>The.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Or again, if he had said<quote type="verse"><l met="iambic">Wrestlers are wise by converse with the wise,</l></quote>and we had asked him, Wise in what?—would he not reply,—<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="125d"/>In wrestling?</said></p><p><said who="#Theages"><label>The.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> But as he said:<quote type="verse"><l met="iambic">Despots are wise by converse with the wise,</l></quote><bibl>? Soph. Fr. 14.1</bibl> and we ask him,—In what do you mean that the latter are wise, Euripides?—what will he reply? What sort of subjects will he mention here?</said></p><p><said who="#Theages"><label>The.</label> Why, upon my word, I for my part do not know.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Well, do you mind if I tell you?</said></p><p><said who="#Theages"><label>The.</label> If you do not mind.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> They are the same subjects that Anacreon said Callicrite understood;  or do you not know the ode? <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">Nothing is known of this poem.</note></said></p><p><said who="#Theages"><label>The.</label> I do.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Well then, do you desire to partake in some instruction of that sort from any man <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="125e"/> who is a fellow-craftsman of Callicrite, daughter of Cyane, and knows all about despotism as she did, according to the poet, in order that you may become a despot over us and our city?</said></p><p><said who="#Theages"><label>The.</label> You are joking all this time, Socrates, and making fun of me.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Why, do you not say that you desire that wisdom which will enable you to govern all the citizens? And in doing that, will you be anything else but a despot ?</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>