<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg014.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="138" resp="perseus"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="138"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="138a"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Alcibiades, are you on your way to offer a prayer to the god?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> I am, certainly, Socrates.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> You seem, let me say, to have a gloomy look, and to keep your eyes on the ground, as though you were pondering something.</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> And what might one ponder, Socrates?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> The greatest of questions, Alcibiades, <milestone unit="section" n="138b"/> as I believe. For tell me, in Heaven’s name, do
                        you not think that the gods sometimes grant in part, but in part refuse,
                        what we ask of them in our private and public prayers, and gratify some
                        people, but not others?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> I do, certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Then you would agree that one should take great precautions against falling unawares into the error of praying for great evils in the belief that they are good, while the gods happen to be disposed to grant freely what one is praying for? Just as Oedipus, <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="138c"/> they say, suddenly prayed that his sons might divide their patrimony with the sword: it was open to him to pray that his present evils might by some means be averted, but he invoked others in addition to those which he had already. Wherefore not only were those words of his accomplished, but many other dread results therefrom, which I think there is no need to recount in detail.</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> But you have instanced a madman, Socrates: why, do you suppose that anyone could bring himself, while he was in a sound state, to utter such a prayer?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Do you regard madness as the opposite of wisdom?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> Certainly I do.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="138d"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And there are some men whom you regard as unwise, and others as wise?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> Why, yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Come then, let us consider who these people are. We have admitted that some are unwise, some wise, and others mad.</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> Yes, we have.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And again, there are some in sound health?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> There are.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And others also who are in ill-health?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="139" resp="perseus"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="139"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="139a"/><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> Quite so.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And they are not the same?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> No, indeed.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And are there any others besides, who are found to be in neither state?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> No, to be sure.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> For a human being must needs be either sick or not sick.</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> I agree.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Well then, do you hold the same view about wisdom and unwisdom?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> How do you mean?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Tell me, do you think it is only possible to be either wise or unwise, or is there some third condition between these, which makes <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="139b"/>a man neither wise nor unwise?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> No, there is not.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> So he must needs be in one or the other of these two conditions.</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> I agree.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And you remember that you admitted that madness is the opposite of wisdom?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> I do.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And further, that there is no third condition between these, which makes a man neither wise nor unwise?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> Yes, I admitted that.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Well now, can there possibly be two opposites of one thing?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="139c"/><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> By no means.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Then it looks as though unwisdom and madness were the same.</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> Yes, apparently.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> So we shall be right, Alcibiades, in saying that all unwise persons are mad; for example, such of your contemporaries as happen to be unwise—some such there are—and of your elders, even: for tell me, in Heaven’s name, do you not think that in our city the wise people are but few, whereas the majority are unwise, and these you call mad?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> I do.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Well, do you suppose we could safely live with so many <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="139d"/> madmen as our fellow-citizens, and should not long ago have paid the penalty for it in knocks and blows at their hands, and all the usual proceedings of madmen? Consider now, my wonderful friend, whether the case is not quite different?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> Well, it must be, Socrates. For it looks as though it were not as I thought.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And I think so too. But there is another way of regarding it.</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> I wonder what way you mean.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Well, I will tell you. We conceive there are some who are sick, do we not?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> We do, to be sure.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="139e"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And do you believe that a sick man must necessarily have the gout, or a fever, or ophthalmia? Do you not think that, although he may be afflicted in none of these ways, he may be suffering from some other disease? For surely there are many of them: these are not the only ones.</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> I agree.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And is every ophthalmia, in your opinion, a disease?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And is every disease also ophthalmia?</said></p><p><said who="#Alcibiades"><label>Alc.</label> No, I should think not: still, I am in doubt as to my meaning.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>