<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg012.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="242"><p><said who="#Socrates" rend="merge"><label>Socrates.</label>And so my tale shall fare
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="242"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="242a"/>as it may;  I shall cross this stream and go away before you put some further compulsion upon me.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> Not yet, Socrates, till the heat is past.  Don’t you see that it is already almost noon?  Let us stay and talk over what has been said, and then, when it is cooler, we will go away.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Phaedrus, you are simply a superhuman wonder as regards discourses!  I believe
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="242b"/>no one of all those who have been born in your lifetime has produced more discourses than you, either by speaking them yourself or compelling others to do so.  I except Simmias the Theban;  but you are far ahead of all the rest.  And now I think you have become the cause of another, spoken by me.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> That is not exactly a declaration of war!  But how is this, and what is the discourse?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> My good friend, when I was about to cross the stream, the spirit and the sign
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="242c"/>that usually comes to me came—it always holds me back from something I am about to do—and I thought I heard a voice from it which forbade my going away before clearing my conscience, as if I had committed some sin against deity.  Now I am a seer, not a very good one, but, as the bad writers say, good enough for my own purposes;  so now I understand my error.  How prophetic the soul is, my friend!  For all along, while I was speaking my discourse, something troubled me, and as Ibycus says,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="242d"/><cit><quote type="verse">I was distressed lest I be buying honor among men by sinning against the gods.</quote><bibl>Ibycus Frag. 24, Bergk.</bibl></cit>But now I have seen my error.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> What do you mean?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Phaedrus, a dreadful speech it was, a dreadful speech, the one you brought with you, and the one you made me speak.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> How so?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> It was foolish, and somewhat impious.  What could be more dreadful than that?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> Nothing, if you are right about it.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Well, do you not believe that Love is the son of Aphrodite and is a god?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> So it is said.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Yes, but not by Lysias, nor by your speech
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="242e"/>which was spoken by you through my mouth that you bewitched.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="243"><p><said who="#Socrates" rend="merge"><label>Socrates.</label>If Love is, as indeed he is, a god or something divine, he can be nothing evil;  but the two speeches just now said that he was evil.  So then they sinned against Love;  but their foolishness was really very funny besides, for while they were saying nothing sound or true,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="243"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="243a"/>they put on airs as though they amounted to something, if they could cheat some mere manikins and gain honor among them.  Now I, my friend, must purify myself;  and for those who have sinned in matters of mythology there is an ancient purification, unknown to Homer, but known to Stesichorus.  For when he was stricken with blindness for speaking ill of Helen, he was not, like Homer, ignorant of the reason, but since he was educated, he knew it and straightway he writes the poem:<cit><quote type="verse">That saying is not true;  thou didst not go within the well-oared ships, nor didst thou come to the walls of <placeName key="perseus,Troy">Troy</placeName></quote><bibl>Stesichorus Frag. 32 Bergk</bibl></cit><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="243b"/> and when he had written all the poem, which is called the recantation, he saw again at once.  Now I will be wiser than they in just this point:  before suffering any punishment for speaking ill of Love, I will try to atone by my recantation, with my head bare this time, not, as before, covered through shame.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> This indeed, Socrates, is the most delightful thing you could say.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Just consider, my good Phaedrus,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="243c"/>how shameless the two speeches were, both this of mine and the one you read out of the book.  For if any man of noble and gentle nature, one who was himself in love with another of the same sort, or who had ever been loved by such a one, had happened to hear us saying that lovers take up violent enmity because of small matters and are jealously disposed and harmful to the beloved, don’t you think he would imagine he was listening to people brought up among low sailors, who had never seen a generous love?  Would he not refuse
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="243d"/>utterly to assent to our censure of Love?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> I declare, Socrates, perhaps he would.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I therefore, because I am ashamed at the thought of this man and am afraid of Love himself, wish to wash out the brine from my ears with the water of a sweet discourse.  And I advise Lysias also to write as soon as he can, that other things being equal, the lover should be favored rather than the non-lover.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> Be assured that he will do so:  for when you have spoken the praise of the lover, Lysias must
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="243e"/>of course be compelled by me to write another discourse on the same subject.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I believe you, so long as you are what you are.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> Speak then without fear.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Where is the youth to whom I was speaking?  He must hear this also, lest if he do not hear it, he accept a non-lover before we can stop him.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedrus"><label>Phaedrus.</label> Here he is, always close at hand whenever you want him.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="244"><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Understand then, fair youth,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="244"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="244a"/>that the former discourse was by Phaedrus, the son of Pythocles (Eager for Fame) of Myrrhinus (Myrrhtown);  but this which I shall speak is by Stesichorus, son of Euphemus (Man of pious Speech) of Himera (Town of Desire).  And I must say that this saying is not true, which teaches that when a lover is at hand the non-lover should be more favored, because the lover is insane, and the other sane.  For if it were a simple fact that insanity is an evil, the saying would be true;  but in reality the greatest of blessings come to us through madness, when it is sent as a gift of the gods.  For the prophetess at <placeName key="perseus,Delphi">Delphi</placeName>
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="244b"/>and the priestesses at <placeName key="perseus,Dodona">Dodona</placeName> when they have been mad have conferred many splendid benefits upon <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Greece</placeName> both in private and in public affairs, but few or none when they have been in their right minds;  and if we should speak of the Sibyl and all the others who by prophetic inspiration have foretold many things to many persons and thereby made them fortunate afterwards, anyone can see that we should speak a long time.  And it is worth while to adduce also the fact that those men of old who invented names thought that madness was neither shameful nor disgraceful; 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="244c"/>otherwise they would not have connected the very word mania with the noblest of arts, that which foretells the future, by calling it the manic art.  No, they gave this name thinking that mania, when it comes by gift of the gods, is a noble thing, but nowadays people call prophecy the mantic art, tastelessly inserting a T in the word.  So also, when they gave a name to the investigation of the future which rational persons conduct through observation of birds and by other signs, since they furnish mind (nous)
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="244d"/>and information (historia) to human thought (oiesis) from the intellect (dianoia) they called it the oionoistic (oionoistike) art, which modern folk now call oionistic making it more high-sounding by introducing the long O.  The ancients, then testify that in proportion as prophecy (mantike) is superior to augury, both in name and in fact, in the same proportion madness, which comes from god, is superior to sanity, which is of human origin.  Moreover, when diseases and the greatest troubles have been visited upon certain families through some ancient guilt, madness
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="244e"/>has entered in and by oracular power has found a way of release for those in need, taking refuge in prayers and the service of the gods, and so, by purifications and sacred rites, he who has this madness is made safe for the present and the after time, and for him who is rightly possessed of madness a release from present
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="245"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="245a"/>ills is found.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="245"><p><said who="#Socrates" rend="merge"><label>Socrates.</label>And a third kind of possession and madness comes from the Muses.  This takes hold upon a gentle and pure soul, arouses it and inspires it to songs and other poetry, and thus by adorning countless deeds of the ancients educates later generations.  But he who without the divine madness comes to the doors of the Muses, confident that he will be a good poet by art, meets with no success, and the poetry of the sane man vanishes into nothingness before that of the inspired madmen.
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="245b"/> All these noble results of inspired madness I can mention, and many more.  Therefore let us not be afraid on that point, and let no one disturb and frighten us by saying that the reasonable friend should be preferred to him who is in a frenzy.  Let him show in addition that love is not sent from heaven for the advantage of lover and beloved alike, and we will grant him the prize of victory.  We, on our part, must prove that such madness
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="245c"/>is given by the gods for our greatest happiness;  and our proof will not be believed by the merely clever, but will be accepted by the truly wise.  First, then, we must learn the truth about the soul divine and human by observing how it acts and is acted upon.  And the beginning of our proof is as follows: Every soul is immortal.  For that which is ever moving is immortal but that which moves something else or is moved by something else, when it ceases to move, ceases to live.  Only that which moves itself, since it does not leave itself, never ceases to move, and this is also
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="245d"/>the source and beginning of motion for all other things which have motion.  But the beginning is ungenerated.  For everything that is generated must be generated from a beginning, but the beginning is not generated from anything;  for if the beginning were generated from anything, it would not be generated from a beginning.  And since it is ungenerated, it must be also indestructible;  for if the beginning were destroyed, it could never be generated from anything nor anything else from it, since all things must be generated from a beginning.  Thus that which moves itself must be the beginning of motion.  And this can be neither destroyed nor generated,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="245e"/>otherwise all the heavens and all generation must fall in ruin and stop and never again have any source of motion or origin.  But since that which is moved by itself has been seen to be immortal, one who says that this self-motion is the essence and the very idea of the soul, will not be disgraced.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="246"><p><said who="#Socrates" rend="merge"><label>Socrates.</label>
				For every body which derives motion from without is soulless, but that which has its motion within itself has a soul, since that is the nature of the soul;  but if this is true,—
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="246"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="246a"/>that that which moves itself is nothing else than the soul,—then the soul would necessarily be ungenerated and immortal. Concerning the immortality of the soul this is enough;  but about its form we must speak in the following manner.  To tell what it really is would be a matter for utterly superhuman and long discourse, but it is within human power to describe it briefly in a figure;  let us therefore speak in that way.  We will liken the soul to the composite nature of a pair of winged horses and a charioteer.  Now the horses and charioteers of the gods are all good and
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="246b"/>of good descent, but those of other races are mixed;  and first the charioteer of the human soul drives a pair, and secondly one of the horses is noble and of noble breed, but the other quite the opposite in breed and character.  Therefore in our case the driving is necessarily difficult and troublesome.  Now we must try to tell why a living being is called mortal or immortal.  Soul, considered collectively, has the care of all that which is soulless, and it traverses the whole heaven, appearing sometimes in one form and sometimes in another;  now when it is perfect
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="246c"/>and fully winged, it mounts upward and governs the whole world;  but the soul which has lost its wings is borne along until it gets hold of something solid, when it settles down, taking upon itself an earthly body, which seems to be self-moving, because of the power of the soul within it;  and the whole, compounded of soul and body, is called a living being, and is further designated as mortal.  It is not immortal by any reasonable supposition, but we, though we have never seen
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="246d"/>or rightly conceived a god, imagine an immortal being which has both a soul and a body which are united for all time.  Let that, however, and our words concerning it, be as is pleasing to God;  we will now consider the reason why the soul loses its wings.  It is something like this. The natural function of the wing is to soar upwards and carry that which is heavy up to the place where dwells the race of the gods.  More than any other thing that pertains to the body
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="246e"/>it partakes of the nature of the divine.  But the divine is beauty, wisdom, goodness, and all such qualities;  by these then the wings of the soul are nourished and grow, but by the opposite qualities, such as vileness and evil, they are wasted away and destroyed. </said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>