<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg010.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="38"><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Of course it does;  and in such a case, Socrates,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="38"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="38a"/>we call the opinion false;  but nobody would ever call the actual pleasure false.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> You are an eager advocate of the case of pleasure just now, Protarchus.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Oh no, I merely say what I hear.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Is there no difference, my friend, between the pleasure which is connected with right opinion and knowledge and that which often comes to each of us with falsehood and ignorance?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="38b"/><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> There is likely to be a great difference.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Then let us proceed to the contemplation of the difference between them.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Lead on as you think best.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Then this is the way I lead.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> What way?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Do we agree that there is such a thing as false opinion and also as true opinion?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> There is.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And, as we were saying just now, pleasure and pain often follow them—I mean true and false opinion.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And do not opinion and the power of forming an opinion always come to us
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="38c"/>from memory and perception?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Do we, then, believe that our relation to these faculties is somewhat as follows?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> How?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Would you say that often when a man sees things at a distance and not very clearly, he wishes to distinguish between the things which he sees?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Yes, I should say so.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Next, then, would he not ask himself—</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> What?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label><q type="spoken">What is that which is visible standing
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="38d"/>beside the rock under a tree?</q>  Do you not think a man might ask himself such a question if he saw such objects presented to his view?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> To be sure.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And after that our gazer might reply to himself correctly <q type="spoken">It is a man</q>?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Or, again, perhaps he might be misled into the belief that it was a work of some shepherds, and then he would call the thing which he saw an image.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Yes, indeed.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="38e"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And if some one is with him, he might repeat aloud to his companion what he had said to himself, and thus that which we called an opinion now becomes a statement?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> But if he is alone when he has this thought, he sometimes carries it about in his mind for a long time.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Undoubtedly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Well, is your view about what takes place in such cases the same as mine?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> What is yours?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> I think the soul at such a time is like a book.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> How is that?</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>