<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg010.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="37"><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> But is the belief correct?  Shall we consider whether it is so or not?</said></p><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="37"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="37a"/><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> I should say we ought to consider that.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Then let us analyze still more clearly what we were just now saying about pleasure and opinion.  There is a faculty of having an opinion, is there not?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And of feeling pleasure?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And there is an object of opinion?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And something by which that which feels pleasure is pleased?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And that which has opinion, whether right or wrong, never loses its function of really having opinion?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="37b"/><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Of course not.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And that which feels pleasure, whether rightly or wrongly, will clearly never lose its function of really feeling pleasure?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Yes, that is true, too.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> Then we must consider how it is that opinion is both true and false and pleasure only true, though the holding of opinion and the feeling of pleasure are equally real.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Yes, so we must.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> You mean that we must consider this question because falsehood and truth are added as attributes to opinion,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="37c"/>and thereby it becomes not merely opinion, but opinion of a certain quality in each instance?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And furthermore, we must reach an agreement on the question whether, even if some things have qualities, pleasure and pain are not merely what they are, without qualities or attributes.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Evidently we must.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> But it is easy enough to see that they have qualities.  For we said a long time ago that both pains and pleasures
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="37d"/>are great and small and intense.</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Yes, certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And if badness becomes an attribute of any of these, Protarchus, shall we say that the opinion or the pleasure thereby becomes bad?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Why certainly, Socrates.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And what if rightness or its opposite becomes an attribute of one of them?  Shall we not say that the opinion is right, if it has rightness, and the pleasure likewise?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Obviously.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="37e"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And if that which is opined is mistaken, must we not agree that the opinion, since it is at the moment making a mistake, is not right or rightly opining?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And what if we see a pain or a pleasure making a mistake in respect of that by which the pain or pleasure is caused?  Shall we give it the attribute of right or good or any of the words which denote excellence?</said></p><p><said who="#Protarchus"><label>Pro.</label> That is impossible if the pleasure is mistaken.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Soc.</label> And certainly pleasure often seems to come to us in connection with false, not true, opinion.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>