<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg007.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="261"><p><said who="#Stranger" resp="merge"><label>Str.</label> For this reason we must first inquire into the nature of speech and opinion and fancy, <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">The English word <q type="emph">fancy,</q> though etymologically identical with the Greek <foreign xml:lang="grc">φαντασία</foreign>, has lost the close connection with <q type="emph">seeming</q> (<foreign xml:lang="grc">φαίνεσθαι</foreign>) which the Greek retains.  The Greek word is therefore more comprehensive than the English, denoting that which appears to be, whether as the result of imagination or of sensation.  Cf. 235 D ff.</note> in order that when they are made clear we may perceive that they participate in not-being,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="261"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261a"/>and when we have perceived that, may prove the existence of falsehood, and after proving that, may imprison the sophist therein, if he can be held on that charge, and if not, may set him free and seek him in another class.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> It certainly seems, Stranger, that what you said at first about the sophist—that he was a hard kind of creature to catch—is true;  for he seems to have no end of defences, <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">Perhaps a sort of pun is intended, for <foreign xml:lang="grc">πρόβλημα</foreign> was already beginning to have the meaning of <q type="emph">problem.</q></note> and when he throws one of them up, his opponent has first to fight through it before he can reach the man himself;  for now, you see, we have barely passed through
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261b"/>the non-existence of being, which was his first prepared line of defence, when we find another line ready;  and so we must prove that falsehood exists in relation to opinion and to speech;  and after this, perhaps, there will be another line, and still another after that;  and it seems no end will ever appear.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> No one should be discouraged, Theaetetus, who can make constant progress, even though it be slow.  For if a man is discouraged under these conditions, what would he do under others—if he did not get ahead at all or were even pressed back?  It would be a long time, as the saying is,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261c"/>before such a man would ever take a city.  But now, my friend, since we have passed the line you speak of, the main defences would surely be in our hands, and the rest will now be smaller and easier to take.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Good.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> First, then, let us take up speech and opinion, as I said just now, in order to come to a clearer understanding whether not-being touches them, or they are both entirely true, and neither is ever false.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Very well.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261d"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then let us now investigate names, just a we spoke a while ago about ideas and letters;  for in that direction the object of our present search is coming in sight.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do we need to understand about names?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Whether they all unite with one another, or none of them, or some will and some will not.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Evidently the last;  some will and some will not.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> This, perhaps, is what you mean, that those which are spoken in order
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261e"/>and mean something do unite, but those that mean nothing in their sequence do not unite.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> How so, and what do you mean by that?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> What I supposed you had in mind when you assented;  for we have two kinds of vocal indications of being.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> How so?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="262"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="262"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262a"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> One called nouns, the other verbs. <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">The science of language, in all its branches, was young in the time of Plato.  Words of general meaning were necessarily used in a technical sense.  So here <foreign xml:lang="grc">ὄνομα</foreign> and <foreign xml:lang="grc">ῥῆμα</foreign> are used as parts of grammatical terminology in the sense of <q type="emph">verb</q> and <q type="emph">noun,</q> though Plato elsewhere employs them with their ordinary meanings.  Similarly the distinction between vowels and consonants (<bibl n="Plat. Theaet. 203">Plat. Theaet. 203</bibl>; cf. <bibl n="Plat. Soph. 253">Plat. Soph. 253</bibl>) was at least relatively new, as was that between the active and the passive voice.  How important Plato’s part was in the development of linguistic study can no longer be accurately determined.</note></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Define each of them.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> The indication which relates to action we may call a verb.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And the vocal sign applied to those who perform the actions in question we call a noun.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Exactly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Hence discourse is never composed of nouns alone spoken in succession, nor of verbs spoken without nouns.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> I do not understand that.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262b"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> I see;  you evidently had something else in mind when you assented just now;  for what I wished to say was just this, that verbs and nouns do not make discourse if spoken successively in this way.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> In what way?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> For instance, <q type="emph">walks,</q> <q type="emph">runs,</q> <q type="emph">sleeps</q> and the other verbs which denote actions, even if you utter all there are of them in succession, do not make discourse for all that.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No, of course not.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And again, when <q type="emph">lion,</q> <q type="emph">stag,</q> <q type="emph">horse,</q> and all other names of those who perform these actions are uttered,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262c"/>such a succession of words does not yet make discourse;  for in neither case do the words uttered indicate action or inaction or existence of anything that exists or does not exist, until the verbs are mingled with the nouns;  then the words fit, and their first combination is a sentence, about the first and shortest form of discourse.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do you mean by that?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> When one says <q type="spoken">a man learns,</q> you agree that this is the least and first of sentences, do you not?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262d"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> For when he says that, he makes a statement about that which is or is becoming or has become or is to be;  he does not merely give names, but he reaches a conclusion by combining verbs with nouns. That is why we said that he discourses and does not merely give names, and therefore we gave to this combination the name of discourse.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That was right.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> So, then, just as of things some fit each other and some do not, so too some vocal signs do not fit,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262e"/>but some of them do fit and form discourse.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now there is another little point.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What is it?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> A sentence, if it is to be a sentence, must have a subject;  without a subject it is impossible.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And it must also be of some quality, must it not?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now let us pay attention to each other.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, at any rate we ought to do so.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now, then, I will speak a sentence to you in which a action and the result of action are combined by means of a noun and a verb, and whatever the subject of the sentence is do you tell me.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="263"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="263"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="263a"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> I will, to the best of my ability.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label><q type="emph">Theaetetus sits.</q>  It isn’t a long sentence, is it?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No, it is fairly short.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now it is for you to say what it is about and what its subject is.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Clearly it is about me, and I am its subject.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And how about this sentence?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What one?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label><q type="emph">Theaetetus, with whom I am now talking, flies.</q></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Every one would agree that this also is about me and I am its subject.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But we agree that every sentence must have some quality.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="263b"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now what quality shall be ascribed to each of these sentences?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> One is false, I suppose, the other true.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> The true one states facts as they are about you.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And the false one states things that are other than the facts.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> In other words, it speaks of things that are not as if they were.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, that is pretty much what it does.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And states with reference to you that things are which are other than things which actually are;  for we said, you know, that in respect to everything there are many things that are and many that are not.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> To be sure.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="263c"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now the second of my sentences about you is in the first place by sheer necessity one of the shortest which conform to our definition of sentence.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> At any rate we just now agreed on that point.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And secondly it has a subject.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And if you are not the subject, there is none.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly not.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And if there is no subject, it would not be a sentence at all;  for we showed that a sentence without a subject is impossible.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Quite right.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="263d"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now when things are said about you, but things other are said as the same and things that are not as things that are, it appears that when such a combination is formed of verbs and nouns we have really and truly false discourse.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, very truly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Is it, then, not already plain that the three classes, thought, opinion, and fancy, all arise in our minds as both false and true?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> How is it plain?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> You will understand more easily if you first grap their natures
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="263e"/>and the several differences between them.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Give me an opportunity.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Well, then, thought and speech are the same;  only the former, which is a silent inner conversation of the soul with itself, has been given the special name of thought.  Is not that true?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But the stream that flows from the soul in vocal utterance through the mouth has the name of speech?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And in speech we know there is just—</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Affirmation and negation</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, we know that.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="264"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="264"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="264a"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now when this arises in the soul silently by way of thought, can you give it any other name than opinion?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly not.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And when such a condition is brought about in anyone, not independently, but through sensation, can it properly be called anything but seeming, or fancy?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then since speech, as we found, is true and false, and we saw that thought is conversation of the soul with itself, and opinion is the final result of thought,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="264b"/>and what we mean when we say <q type="emph">it seems</q> is a mixture of sensation and opinion, it is inevitable that, since these are all akin to speech, some of them must sometimes be false.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Do you see, then, that false opinion and false discourse were found sooner than we expected when we feared a few moments ago that in looking for them we were undertaking an endless task?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, I see.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then let us not be discouraged about the rest of our search, either; 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="264c"/>for now that these points are settled, we have only to revert to our previous divisions into classes.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What divisions?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> We made two classes of image-making, the likeness-making and the fantastic. <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">See <bibl n="Plat. Theaet. 235d">Plat. Theaet. 235d ff</bibl></note></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And we said that we did not know to which of the two the sophist should be assigned.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> You are right.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And in the midst of our perplexity about that, we were overwhelmed by a still greater dizziness when the doctrine appeared which challenges everybody and asserts that neither likeness nor image
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="264d"/>nor appearance exists at all, because falsehood never exists anywhere in any way.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But now, since the existence of false speech and false opinion has been proved, it is possible for imitations of realities to exist and for an art of deception to arise from this condition of mind.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, it is possible.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And we decided some time ago that the sophist was in one of those two divisions of the image-making class.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="265"><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then let us try again;  let us divide in two
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="264e"/>the class we have taken up for discussion, and proceed always by way of the right-hand part of the thing divided, clinging close to the company to which the sophist belongs, until, having stripped him of all common properties and left him only his own peculiar nature, we shall show him plainly first
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="265"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="265a"/>to ourselves and secondly to those who are most closely akin to the dialectic method.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Right.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> We began by making two divisions of art, the productive and the acquisitive, did we not? <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">See <bibl n="Plat. Theaet. 219">Plat. Theaet. 219</bibl></note></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And the sophist showed himself to us in the arts of hunting, contests, commerce, and the like, which were subdivisions of acquisitive art?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But now, since imitative art has taken him over, it is clear that our first step must be the division of productive art into two parts; 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="265b"/>for imitative art is a kind of production—of images, however, we say, not of real things in each case.  Do you agree?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> By all means.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then let us first assume two parts  of productive art.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What are they?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> The divine and the human.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label>  I don’t yet understand.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> We said, if we remember the beginning of our conversation, that every power is productive which causes things to come into being which did not exist before.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, we remember.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="265c"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> There are all the animals, and all the plants that grow out of the earth from seeds and roots, and all the lifeless substances, fusible and infusible, that are formed within the earth.  Shall we say that they came into being, not having been before, in any other way than through God’s workmanship?  Or, accepting the commonly expressed belief—</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What belief?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> That nature brings them forth from some self-acting cause, without creative intelligence.  Or shall we say that they are created by reason and by divine knowledge that comes from God?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="265d"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> I, perhaps because I am young, often change from one opinion to the other;  but now, looking at you and considering that you think they are created by God, I also adopt that view.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Well said, Theaetetus;  and if I thought you were one of those who would think differently by and by, I should try now, by argument and urgent persuasion, to make you agree with my opinion;  but since I understand your nature and see that it of itself inclines,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="265e"/>without any words of mine, towards that to which you say you are at present attracted, I will let that go;  for it would be a waste of time. But I will assume that things which people call natural are made by divine art, and things put together by man out of those as materials are made by human art, and that there are accordingly two kinds of art, the one human and the other divine.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Quite right.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now that there are two, divide each of them again.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> How?</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>