<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg007.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="260"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="260"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="260a"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Observe, then, that we have now been just in time in carrying our point against the supporters of such doctrine, and in forcing them to admit that one thing mingles with another.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What was our object?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Our object was to establish discourse as one of our classes of being.  For if we were deprived of this, we should be deprived of philosophy, which would be the greatest calamity;  moreover, we must at the present moment come to an agreement about the nature of discourse, and if we were robbed of it by its absolute non-existence, we could no longer discourse;  and we should be robbed of it
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="260b"/>if we agreed that there is no mixture of anything with anything.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That is true enough;  but I do not understand why we must come to an agreement about discourse just now.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Perhaps the easiest way for you to understand is by following this line of argument.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What line?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> We found that not-being was one of the classes of being, permeating all being.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> So the next thing is to inquire whether it mingles with opinion and speech.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Why?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> If it does not mingle with them, the necessary result
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="260c"/>is that all things are true, but if it does, then false opinion and false discourse come into being;  for to think or say what is not—that is, I suppose, falsehood arising in mind or in words.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> So it is.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But if falsehood exists, deceit exists.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And if deceit exists, all things must be henceforth full of images and likenesses and fancies.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But we said that the sophist had
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="260d"/>taken refuge in this region and had absolutely denied the existence of falsehood: for he said that not-being could be neither conceived nor uttered, since not-being did not in any way participate in being.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, so it was.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But now not-being has been found to partake of being, and so, perhaps, he would no longer keep up the fight in this direction;  but he might say that some ideas partake of not-being and some do not, and that speech and opinion are among those which do not;  and he would therefore again contend that the image-making and fantastic art,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="260e"/>in which we placed him, has absolutely no existence, since opinion and speech have no participation in not-being;  for falsehood cannot possibly exist unless such participation takes place.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="261"><p><said who="#Stranger" resp="merge"><label>Str.</label> For this reason we must first inquire into the nature of speech and opinion and fancy, <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">The English word <q type="emph">fancy,</q> though etymologically identical with the Greek <foreign xml:lang="grc">φαντασία</foreign>, has lost the close connection with <q type="emph">seeming</q> (<foreign xml:lang="grc">φαίνεσθαι</foreign>) which the Greek retains.  The Greek word is therefore more comprehensive than the English, denoting that which appears to be, whether as the result of imagination or of sensation.  Cf. 235 D ff.</note> in order that when they are made clear we may perceive that they participate in not-being,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="261"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261a"/>and when we have perceived that, may prove the existence of falsehood, and after proving that, may imprison the sophist therein, if he can be held on that charge, and if not, may set him free and seek him in another class.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> It certainly seems, Stranger, that what you said at first about the sophist—that he was a hard kind of creature to catch—is true;  for he seems to have no end of defences, <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">Perhaps a sort of pun is intended, for <foreign xml:lang="grc">πρόβλημα</foreign> was already beginning to have the meaning of <q type="emph">problem.</q></note> and when he throws one of them up, his opponent has first to fight through it before he can reach the man himself;  for now, you see, we have barely passed through
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261b"/>the non-existence of being, which was his first prepared line of defence, when we find another line ready;  and so we must prove that falsehood exists in relation to opinion and to speech;  and after this, perhaps, there will be another line, and still another after that;  and it seems no end will ever appear.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> No one should be discouraged, Theaetetus, who can make constant progress, even though it be slow.  For if a man is discouraged under these conditions, what would he do under others—if he did not get ahead at all or were even pressed back?  It would be a long time, as the saying is,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261c"/>before such a man would ever take a city.  But now, my friend, since we have passed the line you speak of, the main defences would surely be in our hands, and the rest will now be smaller and easier to take.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Good.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> First, then, let us take up speech and opinion, as I said just now, in order to come to a clearer understanding whether not-being touches them, or they are both entirely true, and neither is ever false.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Very well.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261d"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then let us now investigate names, just a we spoke a while ago about ideas and letters;  for in that direction the object of our present search is coming in sight.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do we need to understand about names?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Whether they all unite with one another, or none of them, or some will and some will not.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Evidently the last;  some will and some will not.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> This, perhaps, is what you mean, that those which are spoken in order
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="261e"/>and mean something do unite, but those that mean nothing in their sequence do not unite.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> How so, and what do you mean by that?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> What I supposed you had in mind when you assented;  for we have two kinds of vocal indications of being.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> How so?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="262"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="262"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262a"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> One called nouns, the other verbs. <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">The science of language, in all its branches, was young in the time of Plato.  Words of general meaning were necessarily used in a technical sense.  So here <foreign xml:lang="grc">ὄνομα</foreign> and <foreign xml:lang="grc">ῥῆμα</foreign> are used as parts of grammatical terminology in the sense of <q type="emph">verb</q> and <q type="emph">noun,</q> though Plato elsewhere employs them with their ordinary meanings.  Similarly the distinction between vowels and consonants (<bibl n="Plat. Theaet. 203">Plat. Theaet. 203</bibl>; cf. <bibl n="Plat. Soph. 253">Plat. Soph. 253</bibl>) was at least relatively new, as was that between the active and the passive voice.  How important Plato’s part was in the development of linguistic study can no longer be accurately determined.</note></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Define each of them.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> The indication which relates to action we may call a verb.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And the vocal sign applied to those who perform the actions in question we call a noun.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Exactly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Hence discourse is never composed of nouns alone spoken in succession, nor of verbs spoken without nouns.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> I do not understand that.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262b"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> I see;  you evidently had something else in mind when you assented just now;  for what I wished to say was just this, that verbs and nouns do not make discourse if spoken successively in this way.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> In what way?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> For instance, <q type="emph">walks,</q> <q type="emph">runs,</q> <q type="emph">sleeps</q> and the other verbs which denote actions, even if you utter all there are of them in succession, do not make discourse for all that.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No, of course not.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And again, when <q type="emph">lion,</q> <q type="emph">stag,</q> <q type="emph">horse,</q> and all other names of those who perform these actions are uttered,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262c"/>such a succession of words does not yet make discourse;  for in neither case do the words uttered indicate action or inaction or existence of anything that exists or does not exist, until the verbs are mingled with the nouns;  then the words fit, and their first combination is a sentence, about the first and shortest form of discourse.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do you mean by that?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> When one says <q type="spoken">a man learns,</q> you agree that this is the least and first of sentences, do you not?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262d"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> For when he says that, he makes a statement about that which is or is becoming or has become or is to be;  he does not merely give names, but he reaches a conclusion by combining verbs with nouns. That is why we said that he discourses and does not merely give names, and therefore we gave to this combination the name of discourse.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That was right.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> So, then, just as of things some fit each other and some do not, so too some vocal signs do not fit,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="262e"/>but some of them do fit and form discourse.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now there is another little point.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What is it?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> A sentence, if it is to be a sentence, must have a subject;  without a subject it is impossible.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And it must also be of some quality, must it not?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now let us pay attention to each other.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, at any rate we ought to do so.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now, then, I will speak a sentence to you in which a action and the result of action are combined by means of a noun and a verb, and whatever the subject of the sentence is do you tell me.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>