<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg007.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="257"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="257"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="257a"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then being itself must also be said to be other than all other things.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, it must.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And we conclude that whatever the number of other things is, just that is the number of the things in relation to which being is not;  for not being those things, it is itself one, and again, those other things are not unlimited in number.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That is not far from the truth.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then we must not be disturbed by this either, since by their nature the classes have participation in one another.  But if anyone refuses to accept our present results, let him reckon with our previous arguments and then proceed to reckon with the next step. <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">i.e., if he will not accept our proof that being is not, etc., he must disprove our arguuents respecting the participation of idea in one another, and then proceed to draw his inference.</note></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That is very fair.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="257b"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then here is a point to consider.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What is it?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> When we say not-being, we speak, I think, not of something that is the opposite of being, but only of something different.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do you mean?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> For instance, when we speak of a thing as not great, do we seem to you to mean by the expression what is small any more than what is of middle size?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No, of course not.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then when we are told that the negative signifies the opposite, we shall not admit it;  we shall admit only that the particle <q type="emph">not</q> <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">The two particles <foreign xml:lang="grc">οὐ</foreign> and <foreign xml:lang="grc">μή</foreign> in Greek.</note> indicates something different
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="257c"/>from the words to which it is prefixed, or rather from the things denoted by the words that follow the negative.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Let us consider another point and see if you agree with me.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What is it?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> It seems to me that the nature of the other is all cut up into little bits, like knowledge.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do you mean?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Knowledge, like other, is one, but each separate part of it which applies to some particular subject
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="257d"/>has a name of its own;  hence there are many arts, as they are called, and kinds of knowledge, or sciences.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And the same is true, by their nature, of the parts of the other, though it also is one concept.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Perhaps;  but let us discuss the matter and see how it comes about.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Is there a part of the other which is opposed to the beautiful?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> There is.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Shall we say that this is nameless or that it has a name?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That it has one;  for that which in each case we call not-beautiful is surely the other of the nature of the beautiful and of nothing else.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now, then, tell me something more.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="257e"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Does it not result from this that the not-beautiful is a distinct part of some one class of being and also, again, opposed to some class of being?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then, apparently, it follows that the not-beautiful is a contrast of being with being.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Quite right.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Can we, then, in that case, say that the beautiful is more and the not-beautiful less a part of being?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Not at all.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="258"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="258"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="258a"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Hence the not-great must be said to be no less truly than the great?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No less truly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And so we must recognize the same relation between the just and the not-just, in so far as neither has any more being than the other?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And we shall, then, say the same of other things, since the nature of the other is proved to possess real being;  and if it has being, we must necessarily ascribe being in no less degree to its parts also.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="258b"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then, as it seems, the opposition of the nature of a part of the other, and of the nature of being, when they are opposed to one another, is no less truly existence than is being itself, if it is not wrong for me to say so, for it signifies not the opposite of being, but only the other of being, and nothing more.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That is perfectly clear.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then what shall we call this?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Evidently this is precisely not-being, which we were looking for because of the sophist.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And is this, as you were saying, as fully endowed with being as anything else, and shall we henceforth say with confidence that not-being has an assured existence and a nature of its own? 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="258c"/>Just as we found that the great was great and the beautiful was beautiful, the not-great was not-great and the not-beautiful was not-beautiful, shall we in the same way say that not-being was and is not-being, to be counted as one class among the many classes of being?  Or have we, Theaetetus, any remaining distrust about the matter?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> None whatever.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Do you observe, then, that we have gone farther in our distrust of Parmenides than the limit set by his prohibition?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do you mean?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> We have proceeded farther in our investigation and have shown him more than that which he forbade us to examine.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> How so?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="258d"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Because he says somewhere:<quote type="verse"><l met="dactylic">Never shall this thought prevail, that not-being is;</l><l>Nay, keep your mind from this path of investigation,</l></quote><bibl>Parmenides Fr. 7.1</bibl></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, that is what he says.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But we have not only pointed out that things which are not exist, but we have even shown what the form or class of not-being is;  for we have pointed out that the nature of the other exists and is distributed in small bits
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="258e"/>throughout all existing things in their relations to one another, and we have ventured to say that each part of the other which is contrasted with being, really is exactly not-being.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> And certainly, Stranger, I think that what we have said is perfectly true.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="259"><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then let not anyone assert that we declare that not-being is the opposite of being, and hence are so rash as to say that not-being exists.  For we long ago gave up speaking of any opposite of being, whether it exists or not and is capable
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="259"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="259a"/>or totally incapable of definition.   But as for our present definition of not-being, a man must either refute us and show that we are wrong, or, so long as he cannot do that, he too must say, as we do, that the classes mingle with one another, and being and the other permeate all things, including each other, and the other, since it participates in being, is, by reason of this participation, yet is not that in which it participates, but other, and since it is other than being, must inevitably be not-being. 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="259b"/>But being, in turn, participates in the other and is therefore other than the rest of the classes, and since it is other than all of them, it is not each one of them or all the rest, but only itself;  there is therefore no doubt that there are thousands and thousands of things which being is not, and just so all other things, both individually and collectively, in many relations are, and in many are not.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And if any man has doubts about these oppositions, he must make investigations and advance better doctrines than
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="259c"/>these of ours;  or if he finds pleasure in dragging words about and applying them to different things at different times, with the notion that he has invented something difficult to explain, our present argument asserts that he has taken up seriously matters which are not worth serious attention;  for this process is neither clever nor difficult, whereas here now is something both difficult and beautiful.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What is it?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> What I have spoken of before—the ability to let those quibbles go as of no account and to follow and refute in detail the arguments of a man who says that other is in a sense the same, or that the same is other,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="259d"/>and to do this from that point of view and with regard for those relations which he presupposes for either of these conditions.  But to show that in some sort of fashion the same is the other, and the other the same, and the great small, and the like unlike, and to take pleasure in thus always bringing forward opposites in the argument,—all that is no true refutation, but is plainly the newborn offspring of some brain that has just begun to lay hold upon the problem of realities.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Exactly so.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> For certainly, my friend, the attempt to separate everything from everything else is not only not in good taste but also
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="259e"/>shows that a man is utterly uncultivated and unphilosophical.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Why so?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> The complete separation of each thing from all is the utterly final obliteration of all discourse.  For our power of discourse is derived from the interweaving of the classes or ideas with one another. <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">The denial, that is to say, of all the interrelations of ideas leads to purely negative results.  Examples of this are the exclusive antithesis of being and not-being and the mutual exclusion of rest and motion.  The difficulty is solved at once when we recognize that positive and negative are necessarily interwoven in the nature of things, that the negative has only a relative existence and is not the opposite of the positive, but only different from it.</note></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> True.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>