<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg007.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="239"><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then when I undertook to attach the verb <q type="emph">to be</q> to not-being
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="239"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="239a"/>I was contradicting what I said before.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Evidently.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Well, then;  when I attached this verb to it, did I not address it in the singular?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And when I called it irrational, inexpressible, and unspeakable, I addressed my speech to it as singular.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course you did.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But we say that, if one is to speak correctly, one must not define it as either singular or plural, and must not even call it <q type="emph">it</q> at all;  for even by this manner of referring to it one would be giving it the form of the singular.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="239b"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But poor me, what can anyone say of me any longer?  For you would find me now, as always before, defeated in the refutation of not-being.  So, as I said before, we must not look to me for correctness of speech about not-being.  But come now, let us look to you for it.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do you mean?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Come, I beg of you, make a sturdy effort, young man as you are, and try with might and main to say something correctly about not-being, without attributing to it either existence or unity or plurality.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="239c"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> But I should be possessed of great and absurd eagerness for the attempt, if I were to undertake it with your experience before my eyes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Well, if you like, let us say no more of you and me;  but until we find someone who can accomplish this, let us confess that the sophist has in most rascally fashion hidden himself in a place we cannot explore.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That seems to be decidedly the case.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And so, if we say he has an art, as it were, of making appearances,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="239d"/>he will easily take advantage of our poverty of terms to make a counter attack, twisting our words to the opposite meaning;  when we call him an image-maker, he will ask us what we mean by <q type="emph">image,</q> exactly.  So, Theaetetus, we must see what reply is to be made to the young man’s question.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Obviously we shall reply that we mean the images in water and in mirrors, and those in paintings, too, and sculptures, and all the other things of the same sort.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="239e"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> It is evident, Theaetetus, that you never saw a sophist.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Why?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> He will make you think his eyes are shut or he has none at all.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> How so?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="240"><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> When you give this answer, if you speak of something in mirrors or works of art, he will laugh at your words, when you talk to him as if he could see. 
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="240"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="240a"/>He will feign ignorance of mirrors and water and of sight altogether, and will question you only about that which is deduced from your words.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What is that?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> That which exists throughout all these things which you say are many but which you saw fit to call by one name, when you said <q type="emph">image</q> of them all, as if they were all one thing.  So speak and defend yourself.  Do not give way to the man at all.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Why, Stranger, what can we say an image is, except another such thing fashioned in the likeness of the true one?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Do you mean another such true one, or
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="240b"/>in what sense did you say <q type="emph">such</q>?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Not a true one by any means, but only one like the true.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And by the true you mean that which really is?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Exactly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And the not true is the opposite of the true?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> That which is like, then, you say does not really exist, if you say it is not true.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> But it does exist, in a way.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But not truly, you mean.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No, except that it is really a likeness.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then what we call a likeness, though not really existing, really does exist?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="240c"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Not-being does seem to have got into some such entanglement with being, and it is very absurd.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Of course it is absurd.  You see, at any rate, how by this interchange of words the many-headed sophist has once more forced us against our will to admit that not-being exists in a way.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, I see that very well.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Well then, how can we define his art without contradicting ourselves?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Why do you say that?  What are you afraid of?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="240d"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> When, in talking about appearance, we say that he deceives and that his art is an art of deception, shall we say that our mind is misled by his art to hold a false opinion, or what shall we say?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> We shall say that.  What else could we say?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But, again, false opinion will be that which thinks the opposite of reality, will it not?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> You mean, then, that false opinion thinks things which are not?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Necessarily.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="240e"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Does it think that things which are not, are not, or that things which are not at all, in some sense are?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> It must think that things which are not in some sense are—that is, if anyone is ever to think falsely at all, even in a slight degree.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And does it not also think that things which certainly are, are not at all?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And this too is falsehood?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, it is.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="241"><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And therefore a statement will likewise be considered false,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="241"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="241a"/>if it declares that things which are, are not, or that things which are not, are.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> In what other way could a statement be made false?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Virtually in no other way;  but the sophist will not assent to this.  Or how can any reasonable man assent to it, when the expressions we just agreed upon were previously agreed to be inexpressible, unspeakable, irrational, and inconceivable?  Do we understand his meaning, Theaetetus?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label>  Of course we understand that he will say we are contradicting our recent statements, since we dare to say that falsehood exists in opinions and words; 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="241b"/>for he will say that we are thus forced repeatedly to attribute being to not-being, although we agreed a while ago that nothing could be more impossible than that.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> You are quite right to remind me.  But I think it is high time to consider what ought to be done about the sophist;  for you see how easily and repeatedly he can raise objections and difficulties, if we conduct our search by putting him in the guild of false-workers and jugglers.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Very true.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Yes, we have gone through only a small part of them,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="241c"/>and they are, if I may say so, infinite.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> It would, apparently, be impossible to catch the sophist, if that is the case.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Well, then, shall we weaken and give up the struggle now?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No, I say;  we must not do that, if we can in any way get the slightest hold of the fellow.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Will you then pardon me, and, as your words imply, be content if I somehow withdraw just for a short distance from this strong argument of his?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course I will.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="241d"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> I have another still more urgent request to make of you.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What is it?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Do not assume that I am becoming a sort of parricide.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What do you mean?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> In defending myself I shall have to test the theory of my father Parmenides, and contend forcibly that after a fashion not-being is and on the other hand in a sense being is not.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> It is plain that some such contention is necessary.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Yes, plain even to a blind man, as they say;  for unless these statements
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="241e"/>are either disproved or accepted, no one who speaks about false words, or false opinion—whether images or likenesses or imitations or appearances—about the arts which have to do with them, can ever help being forced to contradict himself and make himself ridiculous.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Very true.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>