<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg007.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="227"><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> The purification of living creatures, having to do with impurities within the body, such as are successfully discriminated by gymnastics and medicine,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="227"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="227a"/>and with those outside of the body, not nice to speak of, such as are attended to by the bath-keeper’s art; and the purification of inanimate bodies, which is the special care of the fuller’s art and in general of the art of exterior decoration;  this, with its petty subdivisions, has taken on many names which seem ridiculous.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Very.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Certainly they do, Theaetetus.  However, the method of argument is neither more nor less concerned with the art of medicine than with that of sponging, but is indifferent if the one benefits us little, the other greatly by its purifying. 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="227b"/>It endeavors to understand what is related and what is not related in all arts, for the purpose of acquiring intelligence;  and therefore it honors them all equally and does not in making comparisons think one more ridiculous than another, and does not consider him who employs, as his example of hunting, the art of generalship, any more dignified than him who employs the art of louse-catching, but only, for the most part, as more pretentious.  And now as to your question, what name we shall give to all the activities whose function it is to purify the body, whether animate or inanimate, it will not matter at all to our method
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="227c"/>what name sounds finest;  it cares only to unite under one name all purifications of everything else and to keep them separate from the purification of the soul.  For it has in our present discussion been trying to separate this purification definitely from the rest, if we understand its desire.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> But I do understand and I agree that there are two kinds of purification and that one kind is the purification of the soul, which is separate from that of the body.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Most excellent.  Now pay attention to the next point
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="227d"/>and try again to divide the term.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> In whatever way you suggest, I will try to help you in making the division.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Do we say that wickedness is distinct from virtue in the soul?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And purification was retaining the one and throwing out whatever is bad anywhere?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, it was.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Hence whenever we find any removal of evil from the soul, we shall be speaking properly if we call that a purification.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Very properly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> We must say that there are two kinds of evil in the soul.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What kinds?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="228"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="228"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="228a"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> The one is comparable to a disease in the body, the other to a deformity.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> I do not understand.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Perhaps you have not considered that disease and discord are the same thing?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> I do not know what reply I ought to make to this, either.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Is that because you think discord is anything else than the disagreement of the naturally related, brought about by some corruption?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No;  I think it is nothing else.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But is deformity anything else than the presence of the quality of disproportion, which is always ugly?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="228b"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Nothing else at all.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Well then;  do we not see that in the souls of worthless men opinions are opposed to desires, anger to pleasures, reason to pain, and all such things to one another?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, they are, decidedly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Yet they must all be naturally related.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then we shall be right if we say that wickedness is a discord and disease of the soul.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, quite right.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="228c"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But if things which partake of motion and aim at some particular mark pass beside the mark and miss it on every occasion when they try to hit it, shall we say that this happens to them through right proportion to one another or, on the contrary, through disproportion? <note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">The connection between disproportion and missing the mark is not obvious. The explanation that a missile (e.g. an arrow) which is not evenly balanced will not fly straight, fails to take account of the words <foreign xml:lang="grc">πρὸς ἄλληλα</foreign>. The idea seems rather to be that moving objects of various sizes, shapes, and rates of speed must interfere with each other.</note></said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Evidently through disproportion.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> But yet we know that every soul, if ignorant of anything, is ignorant against its will.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Very much so.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now being ignorant is nothing else than
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="228d"/>the aberration of a soul that aims at truth, when the understanding passes beside the mark.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Very true.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then we must regard a foolish soul as deformed and ill-proportioned.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> So it seems.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Then there are, it appears, these two kinds of evils in the soul, one, which people call wickedness, which is very clearly a disease.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And the other they call ignorance, but they are not willing to acknowledge that it is vice, when it arises only in the soul.</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="228e"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> It must certainly be admitted, though I disputed it when you said it just now, that there are two kinds of vice in the soul, and that cowardice, intemperance, and injustice must all alike be considered a disease in us, and the widespread and various condition of ignorance must be regarded as a deformity.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> In the case of the body there are two arts which have to do with these two evil conditions, are there not?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What are they?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="229"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="229"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="229a"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> For deformity there is gymnastics, and for disease medicine.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> That is clear.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Hence for insolence and injustice and cowardice is not the corrective art the one of all arts most closely related to Justice?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Probably it is, at least according to the judgement of mankind.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And for all sorts of ignorance is there any art it would be more correct to suggest than that of instruction?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> No, none.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Come now, think.  Shall we say that
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="229b"/>there is only one kind of instruction, or that there are more and that two are the most important?</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> I am thinking.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> I think we can find out most quickly in this way.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> In what way?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> By seeing whether ignorance admits of being cut in two in the middle;  for if ignorance turns out to be twofold, it is clear that instruction must also consist of two parts, one for each part of ignorance.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Well, can you see what you are now looking for?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="229c"/><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> I at any rate think I do see one large and grievous kind of ignorance, separate from the rest, and as weighty as all the other parts put together.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What is it?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Thinking that one knows a thing when one does not know it.  Through this, I believe, all the mistakes of the mind are caused in all of us.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And furthermore to this kind of ignorance alone the name of stupidity is given.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Now what name is to be given to that part of instruction which gets rid of this?</said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="229d"/><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> I think, Stranger, that the other part is called instruction in handicraft, and that this part is here at <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> through our influence called education.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> And so it is, Theaetetus, among nearly all the Hellenes.  But we must examine further and see whether it is one and indivisible or still admits of division important enough to have a name.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> Yes, we must see about that.</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> I think there is still a way in which this also may be divided.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> On what principle?</said></p><p><said who="#Stranger"><label>Str.</label> Of instruction in arguments one method
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="229e"/>seems to be rougher, and the other section smoother.</said></p><p><said who="#Theaetetus"><label>Theaet.</label> What shall we call each of these?</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>