<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="416"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="416"/><milestone n="416a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> But what is the meaning of the word <foreign xml:lang="grc">κακόν</foreign> which you used in many of your derivations?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> By Zeus, I think it is a strange word and hard to understand;  so I apply to it that contrivance of mine.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> What contrivance?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> The claim of foreign origin, which I advance in this case as in those others.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Well, probably you are right.  But, if you please, let us drop these words and try to discover the reasons for the words <foreign xml:lang="grc">καλόν</foreign> (beautiful, noble) and <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἰσχρόν</foreign> (base).</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I think the meaning of <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἰσχρόν</foreign> is clear,
<milestone n="416b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>and this also agrees with what has been said before.  For the giver of names appears to me throughout to denounce that which hinders and restrains things from flowing, and in this instance he gave to that which always restrains the flow (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀεὶ ἴσχει τὸν ῥοῦν</foreign>) this name <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀεισχοροῦν</foreign>, which is now compressed and pronounced <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἰσχρόν</foreign>.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> What about <foreign xml:lang="grc">καλόν</foreign>?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> That is harder to understand, and yet it expresses its meaning:  it has been altered merely in accent and in the length of the O.
<milestone n="416c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> How is that?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I think this word denotes intellect.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> What do you mean?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Why, what do you think is the cause why anything is called by a name?  Is it not the power which gave the name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Why, certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And is not that power the intellect either of gods or of men or both?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Are not that which called things by name and that which calls them by name (<foreign xml:lang="grc">τὸ καλοῦν</foreign>) the same thing, namely intellect?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, clearly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And are not all works which are done by mind and intelligence worthy of praise, and those that are not done by them worthy of blame?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.
<milestone n="416d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Does not the medical power perform medical works and the power of carpentry works of carpentry?  Do you agree to that?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I agree.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And the beautiful performs beautiful works?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> It must do so.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And the beautiful is, we say, intellect?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then this name, the beautiful, is rightly given to mind, since it accomplishes the works which we call beautiful and in which we delight.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Evidently.
<milestone n="416e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> What further words of this sort are left for us?</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>