<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="408"><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Well then, this name <q type="emph">Hermes</q> seems to me to have to do with speech;  he is an interpreter (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἡρμηνεύς</foreign>) and a messenger,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="408"/><milestone n="408a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>is wily and deceptive in speech, and is oratorical.  All this activity is concerned with the power of speech.  Now, as I said before, <foreign xml:lang="grc">εἴρειν</foreign> denotes the use of speech;  moreover, Homer often uses the word <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἐμήσατο</foreign>, which means <gloss>contrive.</gloss>  From these two words, then, the lawgiver imposes upon us the name of this god who contrived speech and the use of speech—<foreign xml:lang="grc">εἴρειν</foreign>means <gloss>speak</gloss>—
<milestone n="408b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>and tells us:  <q type="written">Ye human beings, he who contrived speech (<foreign xml:lang="grc">εἴρειν ἐμήσατο</foreign>) ought to be called Eiremes by you.</q>  We, however, have beautified the name, as we imagine, and call him Hermes.  Iris also seems to have got her name from <foreign xml:lang="grc">εἴρειν</foreign>, because she is a messenger.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> By Zeus, I believe Cratylus was right in saying I was not Hermogenes;  I certainly am no good contriver of speech.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And it is reasonable, my friend, that Pan is the double-natured son of Hermes.
<milestone n="408c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> How is that?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> You know that speech makes all things (<foreign xml:lang="grc">πᾶν</foreign>) known and always makes them circulate and move about, and is twofold, true and false.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Well, the true part is smooth and divine and dwells aloft among the gods, but falsehood dwells below among common men, is rough and like the tragic goat<note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">The chorus of the primitive performances from which tragedy developed appeared as satyrs, clad in goat-skins.  Hence the name <foreign xml:lang="grc">τραγῳδία</foreign> (goat-song).  The adjective <foreign xml:lang="grc">τραγικός</foreign> may mean either <gloss>goat-like</gloss> or <gloss>tragic.</gloss>  In this passage it has both meanings.</note>;  for tales and falsehoods are most at home there, in the tragic life.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then Pan, who declares and always moves (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀεὶ πολῶν</foreign>) all, is rightly called goat-herd (<foreign xml:lang="grc">αἰπόλος</foreign>),
<milestone n="408d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>being the double-natured son of Hermes, smooth in his upper parts, rough and goat-like in his lower parts.  And Pan, if he is the son of Hermes, is either speech or the brother of speech, and that brother resembles brother is not at all surprising.  But, as I said, my friend, let us get away from the gods.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> From such gods as those, if you like, Socrates;  but why should you not tell of another kind of gods, such as sun, moon, stars, earth,
<milestone n="408e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>ether, air, fire, water, the seasons, and the year?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> You are imposing a good many tasks upon me;  however, if it will give you pleasure, I am willing.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> It will give me pleasure.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> What, then, do you wish first?  Shall we discuss the sun (<foreign xml:lang="grc">Ἥλιος</foreign>), as you mentioned it first?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> By all means.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>