<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="407"><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> So that is the reason she is called <placeName key="tgn,2565867">Pallas</placeName>.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> And rightly called so.  But what can you say of her other name?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> You mean Athena?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> That is a weightier matter, my friend.  The ancients seem to have had the same belief about Athena as the interpreters of Homer have now;
<milestone n="407b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>for most of these, in commenting on the poet, say that he represents Athena as mind (<foreign xml:lang="grc">νοῦς</foreign>) and intellect (<foreign xml:lang="grc">διάνοια</foreign>);  and the maker of her name seems to have had a similar conception of her, but he gives her the still grander title of <q type="emph">mind of God</q> <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἡ θεοῦ νόησις</foreign>, seeming to say that she is a <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἁ θεονόα</foreign>;  here he used the alpha in foreign fashion instead of eta, and dropped out the iota and sigma.  But perhaps that was not his reason;  he may have called her Theonoe because she has unequalled knowledge of divine things (<foreign xml:lang="grc">τὰ θεῖα νοοῦσα</foreign>).  Perhaps, too, he may have wished to identify the goddess with wisdom of character (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἐν ἤθει νόησις</foreign>)
<milestone n="407c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>by calling her Ethonoe;  and then he himself or others afterwards improved the name, as they thought, and called her Athenaa.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> And how do you explain Hephaestus?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> You ask about <q type="emph">the noble master of light</q>?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> To be sure.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Hephaestus is <placeName key="tgn,7010788">Phaestus</placeName>, with the eta added by attraction;  anyone could see that, I should think.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Very likely, unless some other explanation occurs to you, as it probably will.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> To prevent that, ask about Ares.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I do ask.
<milestone n="407d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Ares, then, if you like, would be named for his virility and courage, or for his hard and unbending nature, which is called <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἄρρατον</foreign>;  so Ares would be in every way a fitting name for the god of war.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> For God’s sake, let us leave the gods, as I am afraid to talk about them;  but ask me about any others you please, <quote>that you may see what</quote> Euthyphro’s <quote>horses are.</quote><note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">Cf. <bibl n="Hom. Il. 5.221">Hom. Il. 5.221</bibl>, <bibl n="Hom. Il. 8.105">Hom. Il. 8.105</bibl>.</note>
<milestone n="407e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I will do so, but first one more god.  I want to ask you about Hermes, since Cratylus says I am not Hermogenes (son of Hermes).  Let us investigate the name of Hermes, to find out whether there is anything in what he says.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>