<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="388"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="388"/><milestone n="388a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And what is that with which we have to bore?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> A borer.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And that with which we weave?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> A shuttle.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And that with which we must name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> A name.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Right.  A name also, then, is a kind of instrument.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then if I were to ask <q type="spoken">What instrument is the shuttle?</q>  Is it not that with which we weave?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.
<milestone n="388b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And what do we do when we weave?  Do we not separate the mingled threads of warp and woof?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And you could give a similar answer about the borer and the rest, could you not?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And can you say something of the same kind about a name?  The name being an instrument, what do we do with it when we name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I cannot tell.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Do we not teach one another something, and separate things according to their natures?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> A name is, then, an instrument of teaching and of separating reality,
<milestone n="388c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>as a shuttle is an instrument of separating the web?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> But the shuttle is an instrument of weaving?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> The weaver, then, will use the shuttle well, and well means like a weaver;  and a teacher will use a name well, and well means like a teacher.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Whose work will the weaver use well when he uses the shuttle?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> The carpenter’s.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Is every one a carpenter, or he who has the skill?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> He who has the skill.
<milestone n="388d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And whose work will the hole-maker use when he uses the borer?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> The smith’s.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And is every one a smith, or he who has the skill?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> He who has the skill.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And whose work will the teacher use when he uses the name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I cannot tell that, either.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And can you not tell this, either, who gives us the names we use?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> No.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Do you not think it is the law that gives them to us?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Very likely.
<milestone n="388e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then the teacher, when he uses a name, will be using the work of a lawgiver?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think so.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Do you think every man is a lawgiver, or only he who has the skill?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> He who has the skill.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>