<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="385"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="385"/><milestone n="385a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> It may be that you are right, Hermogenes;  but let us see.  Whatever name we decide to give each particular thing is its name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Whether the giver be a private person or a state?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Well, then, suppose I give a name to some thing or other, designating, for instance, that which we now call <q type="emph">man</q> as <q type="emph">horse</q> and that which we now call <q type="emph">horse</q> as <q type="emph">man,</q> will the real name of the same thing be <q type="emph">man</q> for the public and <q type="emph">horse</q> for me individually, and in the other case <q type="emph">horse</q> for the public and <q type="emph">man</q> for me individually?  Is that your meaning?
<milestone n="385b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, that is my opinion.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Now answer this question.  Is there anything which you call speaking the truth and speaking falsehood?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then there would be true speech and false speech?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then that speech which says things as they are is true, and that which says them as they are not is false?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> It is possible, then, to say in speech that which is and that which is not?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> But is true speech true only as a whole,
<milestone n="385c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>and are its parts untrue?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> No, its parts also are true.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Are the large parts true, but not the small ones, or are all true?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> All, in my opinion.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Is there, then, anything which you say is a smaller part of speech than a name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> No, that is the smallest.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And the name is spoken as a part of the true speech?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then it is, according to you, true.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And a part of false speech is false, is it not?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> It is.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then it is possible to utter either a false or a true name, since one may utter speech that is either true or false?
<milestone n="385d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then whatever each particular person says is the name of anything, that is its name for that person?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And whatever the number of names anyone says a thing has, it will really have that number at the time when he says it?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, Socrates, for I cannot conceive of any other kind of correctness in names than this;  I may call a thing by one name, which I gave, and you by another, which you gave.  And in the same way, I see that states have their own different names for the same things,
<milestone n="385e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>and Greeks differ from other Greeks and from barbarians in their use of names.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>