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            Do you not think so?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly that is very likely.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And those who have chosen injustice and tyranny and robbery pass into
                    the bodies of wolves and hawks and kites. Where else can we imagine that they
                        go?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Beyond a doubt,</q> said
                    Cebes, <q type="spoken">they pass into such creatures.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">it is clear where all the others go, each
                    in accordance with its own habits?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Yes,</q> said Cebes, <q type="spoken">of course.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">the happiest of those, and
                    those who go to the best place, are those who have practiced, 
         
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            by nature and habit, without philosophy or reason, the
                    social and civil virtues which are called moderation and
                        justice?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">How are these
                        happiest?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Don’t you see? Is it
                    not likely that they pass again into some such social and gentle species as that
                    of bees or of wasps or ants, or into the human race again, and that worthy men
                    spring from them?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Yes.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And no one who has
                    not been a philosopher and who is not wholly pure when he departs, is allowed to
                    enter into the communion of the gods, 
         
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            but
                    only the lover of knowledge. It is for this reason, dear Simmias and Cebes, that
                    those who truly love wisdom refrain from all bodily desires and resist them
                    firmly and do not give themselves up to them, not because they fear poverty or
                    loss of property, as most men, in their love of money, do; nor is it because
                    they fear the dishonor or disgrace of wickedness, like the lovers of honor and
                    power, that they refrain from them.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">No, that would not be seemly for them, Socrates,</q> said
                        Cebes.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Most assuredly not,</q>
                        
         
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            said he. <q type="spoken">And therefore those who
                    care for their own souls, and do not live in service to the body, turn their
                    backs upon all these men and do not walk in their ways, for they feel that they
                    know not whither they are going. They themselves believe that philosophy, with
                    its deliverance and purification, must not be resisted, and so they turn and
                    follow it whithersoever it leads.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">How do they do this, Socrates?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I will tell you,</q> he replied. <q type="spoken">The lovers of
                    knowledge,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">perceive that when philosophy first takes
                    possession of their soul it is entirely 
         
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            fastened and welded to the body and is compelled to regard realities through
                    the body as through prison bars, not with its own unhindered vision, and is
                    wallowing in utter ignorance. And philosophy sees that the most dreadful thing
                    about the imprisonment is the fact that it is caused by the lusts of the flesh,
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                        chief assistant in his own imprisonment. </q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="83"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge">
                            The lovers of
                    knowledge, then, I say, perceive that philosophy, taking possession of the soul
                    when it is in this state, encourages it gently and tries to set it free,
                    pointing out that the eyes and the ears and the other senses are full of deceit,
                    and urging it to withdraw from these, except in so far as their use is
                    unavoidable, and exhorting it to collect and concentrate itself within itself,
                    and to trust nothing except 
         
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            itself and its
                    own abstract thought of abstract existence; and to believe that there is no
                    truth in that which it sees by other means and which varies with the various
                    objects in which it appears, since everything of that kind is visible and
                    apprehended by the senses, whereas the soul itself sees that which is invisible
                    and apprehended by the mind. Now the soul of the true philosopher believes that
                    it must not resist this deliverance, and therefore it stands aloof from
                    pleasures and lusts and griefs and fears, so far as it can, considering that
                    when anyone has violent pleasures or fears or griefs or lusts he suffers from
                    them not merely what one might think—for example, illness or loss of money
                    spent 
         
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            for his lusts—but he suffers the
                    greatest and most extreme evil and does not take it into
                        account.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">What is this evil,
                    Socrates?</q> said Cebes.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">The evil is
                    that the soul of every man, when it is greatly pleased or pained by anything, is
                    compelled to believe that the object which caused the emotion is very distinct
                    and very true; but it is not. These objects are mostly the visible ones, are
                    they not?</q> 
         
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            <q type="spoken">Certainly.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And when
                    this occurs, is not the soul most completely put in bondage by the
                        body?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">How so?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Because each pleasure or pain nails it as with a
                    nail to the body and rivets it on and makes it corporeal, so that it fancies the
                    things are true which the body says are true. For because it has the same
                    beliefs and pleasures as the body it is compelled to adopt also the same habits
                    and mode of life, and can never depart in purity to the other world, but must
                    always go away contaminated with the body; and so it sinks quickly into another
                    body again and grows into it, 
         
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            like seed that
                    is sown. Therefore it has no part in the communion with the divine and pure and
                        absolute.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">What you say,
                    Socrates, is very true,</q> said Cebes.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">This, Cebes, is the reason why the true lovers of knowledge are
                            temperate and brave; not the world’s reason. Or do you disagree?</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="84"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="84"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="84a"/><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly not.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">No, for the soul of the philosopher would not reason as
                    others do, and would not think it right that philosophy should set it free, and
                    that then when set free it should give itself again into bondage to pleasure and
                    pain and engage in futile toil, like Penelope unweaving the web she wove. No,
                    his soul believes that it must gain peace from these emotions, must follow
                    reason and abide always in it, beholding that which is true and divine and not a
                    matter of opinion, and making that its only food; 
         
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            and in this way it believes it must live, while life
                    endures, and then at death pass on to that which is akin to itself and of like
                    nature, and be free from human ills. A soul which has been nurtured in this way,
                    Simmias and Cebes, is not likely to fear that it will be torn asunder at its
                    departure from the body and will vanish into nothingness, blown apart by the
                    winds, and be no longer anywhere.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>When
                    Socrates had said this there was silence 
         
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            for
                    a long time, and Socrates himself was apparently absorbed in what had been said,
                    as were also most of us. But Simmias and Cebes conversed a little with each
                    other; and Socrates saw them and said: <q type="spoken">Do you think there is any
                    incompleteness in what has been said? There are still many subjects for doubt
                    and many points open to attack, if anyone cares to discuss the matter
                    thoroughly. If you are considering anything else, I have nothing to say; but if
                    you are in any difficulty about these matters, do not hesitate 
         
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            to speak and discuss them yourselves, if you think
                    anything better could be said on the subject, and to take me along with you in
                    the discussion, if you think you can get on better in my
                        company.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And Simmias said:
                    <q type="spoken">Socrates, I will tell you the truth. For some time each of us has been in
                    doubt and has been egging the other on and urging him to ask a question, because
                    we wish to hear your answer, but hesitate to trouble you, for fear that it may
                    be disagreeable to you in your present misfortune.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And when he heard is, he laughed gently and said: <q type="spoken">Ah,
                        
         
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            Simmias! I should have hard work to
                    persuade other people that I do not regard my present situation as a misfortune,
                    when I cannot even make you believe it, but you are afraid I am more churlish
                    now than I used to be. And you seem to think I am inferior in prophetic power to
                    the swans who sing at other times also, but when they feel that they are to die,
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                        sing most and best in their joy that they are to go to the god whose servants they are.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="85"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge">
                    But men, because of their own fear of death, misrepresent the swans and say that
                    they sing for sorrow, in mourning for their own death. They do not consider that
                    no bird sings when it is hungry or cold or has any other trouble; no, not even
                    the nightingale or the swallow or the hoopoe which are said to sing in
                    lamentation. I do not believe they sing for grief, nor do the swans; 
         
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            but since they are Apollo’s birds, I believe they
                    have prophetic vision, and because they have foreknowledge of the blessings in
                    the other world they sing and rejoice on that day more than ever before. And I
                    think that I am myself a fellow-servant of the swans; and am consecrated to the
                    same God and have received from our master a gift of prophecy no whit inferior
                    to theirs, and that I go out from life with as little sorrow as they. So far as
                    this is concerned, then, speak and ask what ever questions you please, so long
                    as the eleven of the Athenians permit.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Good,</q> said Simmias. 
         
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            <q type="spoken">I
                    will tell you my difficulty, and then Cebes in turn will say why he does not
                    agree to all you have said. I think, Socrates, as perhaps you do yourself, that
                    it is either impossible or very difficult to acquire clear knowledge about these
                    matters in this life. And yet he is a weakling who does not test in every way
                    what is said about them and persevere until he is worn out by studying them on
                    every side. For he must do one of two things; either he must learn or discover
                    the truth about these matters, or if that is impossible, he must take whatever
                    human doctrine is best 
         
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            and hardest to
                    disprove and, embarking upon it as upon a raft, sail upon it through life in the
                    midst of dangers, unless he can sail upon some stronger vessel, some divine
                    revelation, and make his voyage more safely and securely. And so now I am not
                    ashamed to ask questions, since you encourage me to do so, and I shall not have
                    to blame myself hereafter for not saying now what I think. For, Socrates, when I
                    examine what has been said, either alone or with Cebes, it does not seem quite
                    satisfactory.</q> 
         
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            And Socrates replied:
                    <q type="spoken">Perhaps, my friend, you are right. But tell me in what respect it is not
                        satisfactory.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="86"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">In this,</q>
                    said he, <q type="spoken">that one might use the same argument about harmony and a lyre
                    with its strings.One might say that the harmony is invisible and incorporeal,
                    and very beautiful and <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="86"/>
            
         
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            divine in the well attuned lyre, but the lyre itself and its
                    strings are bodies, and corporeal and composite and earthy and akin to that
                    which is mortal. Now if someone shatters the lyre or cuts and breaks the
                    strings, what if he should maintain by the same argument you employed, that the
                    harmony could not have perished and must still exist? For there would be no
                    possibility that the lyre and its strings, which are of mortal nature, still
                    exist after the strings are broken, and the harmony, 
         
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            which is related and akin to the divine and the immortal,
                    perish before that which is mortal. He would say that the harmony must still
                    exist somewhere, and that the wood and the strings must rot away before anything
                    could happen to it. And I fancy, Socrates, that it must have occurred to your
                    own mind that we believe the soul to be something after this fashion; that our
                    body is strung and held together by heat, cold, moisture, dryness, and the like,
                        
         
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            and the soul is a mixture and a harmony
                    of these same elements, when they are well and properly mixed. Now if the soul
                    is a harmony, it is clear that when the body is too much relaxed or is too
                    tightly strung by diseases or other ills, the soul must of necessity perish, no
                    matter how divine it is, like other harmonies in sounds and in all the works of
                    artists, and the remains of each body will endure 
         
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            a long time until they are burnt or decayed. Now what shall
                    we say to this argument, if anyone claims that the soul, being a mixture of the
                    elements of the body, is the first to perish in what is called
                        death?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Then Socrates, looking keenly at
                    us, as he often used to do, smiled and said: <q type="spoken">Simmias raises a fair
                    objection. Now if any of you is readier than I, why does he not reply to him?
                    For he seems to score a good point. However, I think 
         
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            before replying to him we ought to hear what fault our
                    friend Cebes finds with our argument, that we may take time to consider what to
                    say, and then when we have heard them, we can either agree with them, if they
                    seem to strike the proper note, or, if they do not, we can proceed to argue in
                    defence of our reasoning. Come, Cebes,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">tell us what it
                    was that troubled you.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Well, I will
                    tell you,</q> said Cebes.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>