<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg004.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="67"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge"><q type="spoken" rend="merge">For,
                    if pure knowledge is impossible while the body is with us, one of two thing must
                    follow, either it cannot be acquired at all or only when we are dead; for then
                    the soul <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="67"/>
            
         
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            will
                    be by itself apart from the body, but not before. And while we live, we shall, I
                    think, be nearest to knowledge when we avoid, so far as possible, intercourse
                    and communion with the body, except what is absolutely necessary, and are not
                    filled with its nature, but keep ourselves pure from it until God himself sets
                    us free. And in this way, freeing ourselves from the foolishness of the body and
                    being pure, we shall, I think, be with the pure and shall know of ourselves all
                    that is pure,— 
         
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            and that is, perhaps,
                    the truth. For it cannot be that the impure attain the pure.</q> Such words as
                    these, I think, Simmias, all who are rightly lovers of knowledge must say to
                    each other and such must be their thoughts. Do you not agree?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Most assuredly, Socrates.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then,</q> said Socrates, <q type="spoken">if this is true, my
                    friend, I have great hopes that when I reach the place to which I am going, I
                    shall there, if anywhere, attain fully to that which has been my chief object in
                    my past life, so that the journey which is now 
         
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            imposed upon me is begun with good hope; and the like hope exists for every
                    man who thinks that his mind has been purified and made ready.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said Simmias.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And does not the purification consist in this which has
                    been mentioned long ago in our discourse, in separating, so far as possible, the
                    soul from the body and teaching the soul the habit of collecting and bringing
                    itself together from all parts of the body, and living, so far as it can, both
                    now 
         
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            and hereafter, alone by itself, freed
                    from the body as from fetters?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Well,
                    then, this is what we call death, is it not, a release and separation from the
                        body?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Exactly so,</q> said
                        he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">But, as we hold, the true
                    philosophers and they alone are always most eager to release the soul, and just
                    this—the release and separation of the soul from the body—is their
                    study, is it not?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Obviously.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then, as I
                    said in the beginning, it would be absurd if a man who had been all his life
                    fitting himself to live as nearly 
         
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            in a state
                    of death as he could, should then be disturbed when death came to him. Would it
                    not be absurd?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Of
                        course.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">In fact, then,
                    Simmias,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">the true philosophers practice dying, and death
                    is less terrible to them than to any other men. Consider it in this way.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="68"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge">They
        are in every way hostile to the body and they desire to have the soul apart by
        itself alone. Would it not be very foolish if they should be frightened and
                    troubled when this very thing happens, and if they should not be glad to go to
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            what they longed for all through
                    life—and they longed for wisdom—and of escaping from the
                    companionship of that which they hated? When human loves or wives or sons have
                    died, many men have willingly gone to the other world led by the hope of seeing
                    there those whom they longed for, and of being with them; and shall he who is
                    really in love with wisdom and has a firm belief that he can find it nowhere
                    else 
         
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            than in the other world grieve when he
                    dies and not be glad to go there? We cannot think that, my friend, if he is
                    really a philosopher; for he will confidently believe that he will find pure
                    wisdom nowhere else than in the other world. And if this is so, would it not be
                    very foolish for such a man to fear death?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Very foolish, certainly,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then is it not,</q> said Socrates, <q type="spoken">a sufficient indication,
                    when you see a man troubled because he is going to die, that he was not a lover
                    of wisdom but a lover of the body? 
         
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            And this
                    same man is also a lover of money and of honor, one or both.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">it is as you
                        say.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then, Simmias,</q> he
                    continued, <q type="spoken">is not that which is called courage especially characteristic
                    of philosophers?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">By all
                    means,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And
                    self-restraint—that which is commonly called self-restraint, which
                    consists in not being excited by the passions and in being superior to them and
                    acting in a seemly way—is not that characteristic of those alone who
                    despise the body 
         
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            and pass their lives in
                        philosophy?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Necessarily,</q>
                    said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">For,</q> said Socrates,
                    <q type="spoken">if you care to consider the courage and the self-restraint of other men,
                    you will see that they are absurd.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">How so, Socrates?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">You know,
                    do you not, that all other men count death among the great
                        evils?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">They certainly
                        do.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And do not brave men face
                    death—when they do face it—through fear of greater
                        evils?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">That is
                        true.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then all except
                    philosophers are brave through fear. And yet it is absurd to be brave through
                    fear and cowardice.</q> 
         
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            <q type="spoken">Very
                        true.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And how about those of
                    seemly conduct? Is their case not the same? They are self-restrained because of
                    a kind of self-indulgence. We say, to be sure, that this is impossible,
                    nevertheless their foolish self-restraint amounts to little more than this; for
                    they fear that they may be deprived of certain pleasures which they desire, and
                    so they refrain from some because they are under the sway of others.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="69"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken">And yet
                    being ruled by pleasures <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="69"/>
            
         
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            is called self-indulgence. Nevertheless they conquer
                    pleasures because they are conquered by other pleasures. Now this is about what
                    I said just now, that they are self-restrained by a kind of
                        self-indulgence.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">So it
                        seems.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">My dear Simmias, I
                    suspect that this is not the right way to purchase virtue, by exchanging
                    pleasures for pleasures, and pains for pains, and fear for fear, and greater for
                    less, as if they were coins, but the only right coinage, for which all those
                    things 
         
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            must be exchanged and by means of and
                    with which all these things are to be bought and sold, is in fact wisdom; and
                    courage and self-restraint and justice and, in short, true virtue exist only
                    with wisdom, whether pleasures and fears and other things of that sort are added
                    or taken away. And virtue which consists in the exchange of such things for each
                    other without wisdom, is but a painted imitation of virtue and is really slavish
                    and has nothing healthy or true in it; but truth is in fact a purification
                        
         
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            from all these things, and self-restraint
                    and justice and courage and wisdom itself are a kind of purification. And I
                    fancy that those men who established the mysteries were not unenlightened, but
                    in reality had a hidden meaning when they said long ago that whoever goes
                    uninitiated and unsanctified to the other world will lie in the mire, but he who
                    arrives there initiated and purified will dwell with the gods. For as they say
                    in the mysteries, <q type="spoken">the thyrsus-bearers are many, but the mystics few</q>;
                        
         
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            and these mystics are, I believe, those
                    who have been true philosophers. And I in my life have, so far as I could, left
                    nothing undone, and have striven in every way to make myself one of them. But
                    whether I have striven aright and have met with success, I believe I shall know
                    clearly, when I have arrived there, very soon, if it is God’s will. This then,
                    Simmias and Cebes, is the defence I offer to show that it is reasonable for me
                    not to be grieved or troubled at leaving you and the rulers I have here,
                        
         
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            because I believe that there, no less
                    than here, I shall find good rulers and friends. If now I am more successful in
                    convincing you by my defence than I was in convincing my Athenian judges, it is
                    well.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="70"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>When Socrates had finished, Cebes
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            the other things you say, but in regard
                    to the soul men are very prone to disbelief. They fear that when the soul leaves
                    the body it no longer exists anywhere, and that on the day when the man dies it
                    is destroyed and perishes, and when it leaves the body and departs from it,
                    straightway it flies away and is no longer anywhere, scattering like a breath or
                    smoke. If it exists anywhere by itself as a unit, freed from these evils which
                    you have enumerated just now, 
         
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            there would be
                    good reason for the blessed hope, Socrates, that what you say is true. But
                    perhaps no little argument and proof is required to show that when a man is dead
                    the soul still exists and has any power and intelligence.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">What you say, Cebes, is true,</q> said
                    Socrates. <q type="spoken">Now what shall we do? Do you wish to keep on conversing about
                    this to see whether it is probable or not?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I do,</q> said Cebes. <q type="spoken">I should like to hear what you think
                    about it.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Well,</q> said
                    Socrates, <q type="spoken">I do not believe anyone who heard us now, 
         
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            even if he were a comic poet, would say that I am chattering
                    and talking about things which do not concern me. So if you like, let us examine
                    the matter to the end.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Let us consider it
                    by asking whether the souls of men who have died are in the nether world or not.
                    There is an ancient tradition, which we remember, that they go there from here
                    and come back here again and are born from the dead. Now if this is true, if the
                    living are born again from the dead, our souls would exist there, 
         
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            would they not? For they could not be born again if
                    they did not exist, and this would be a sufficient proof that they exist, if it
                    should really be made evident that the living are born only from the dead. But
                    if this is not so then some other argument would be needed.</q>
    <milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said Cebes.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Now,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">if you wish to find this out
                    easily, do not consider the question with regard to men only, but with regard to
                    all animals and plants, and, in short, to all things which may be said to have
                    birth. Let us see with regard to all these, whether it is true that they are all
                    born or generated 
         
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            only from their opposites,
                    in case they have opposites, as for instance, the noble is the opposite of the
                    disgraceful, the just of the unjust, and there are countless other similar
                    pairs. Let us consider the question whether it is inevitable that everything
                    which has an opposite be generated from its opposite and from it only. For
                    instance, when anything becomes greater it must inevitably have been smaller and
                    then have become greater.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Yes.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="71"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And if it becomes
                    smaller, <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="71"/>
            
         
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            it
                    must have been greater and then have become smaller?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">That is true,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And the weaker is generated from the stronger, and the
                    slower from the quicker?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And the
                    worse from the better and the more just from the more unjust?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Of course.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">we have this fact sufficiently
                    established, that all things are generated in this way, opposites from
                        opposites?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Now then, is
                    there between all these pairs of opposites what may be called 
         
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            two kinds of generation, from one to the other and back
                    again from the other to the first? Between a larger thing and a smaller thing
                    there is increment and diminution and we call one increasing and the other
                    decreasing, do we not?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Yes,</q>
                    said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And similarly analyzing and
                    combining, and cooling and heating, and all opposites in the same way. Even if
                    we do not in every case have the words to express it, yet in fact is it not
                    always inevitable that there is a process of generation from each to the
                        other?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said
                    he. 
         
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            <q type="spoken">Well then,</q> said Socrates,
                    <q type="spoken">is there anything that is the opposite of living, as being awake is the
                    opposite of sleeping?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said Cebes.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">What?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Being
                    dead,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then these two are
                    generated from each other, and as they are two, so the processes between them
                    are two; is it not so?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Of
                        course.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Now,</q> said
                    Socrates, <q type="spoken">I will tell about one of the two pairs of which I just spoke to
                    you and its intermediate processes; and do you tell me about the other. I say
                    one term is sleeping and the other is being awake, and being awake is generated
                    from sleeping, and sleeping from being awake, 
         
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            and the processes of generation are, in the latter case, falling asleep, and
                    in the former, waking up. Do you agree, or not?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Now do you,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">tell me in this way about life and
                    death. Do you not say that living is the opposite of being
                        dead?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I do.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And that they are generated one from the
                        other?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Yes.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Now what is it which is generated from the
                        living?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">The dead,</q> said
                        he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And what,</q> said Socrates,
                    <q type="spoken">from the dead?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I can say only
                    one thing—the living.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">From the
                    dead, then, Cebes, the living, both things and persons, 
         
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            are generated?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Evidently,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then,</q> said Socrates, <q type="spoken">our souls exist in the other
                        world.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">So it
                        seems.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And of the two processes
                    of generation between these two, the one is plain to be seen; for surely dying
                    is plain to be seen, is it not?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Well
                    then,</q> said Socrates, <q type="spoken">what shall we do next? Shall we deny the
                    opposite process, and shall nature be one-sided in this instance? Or must we
                    grant that there is some process of generation the opposite of
                        dying?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly we must,</q>
    said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">What is this process?</q>
    <milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Coming to life again.</q></said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>