<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg004.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="57"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="57"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="57a"/><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> 
                    Were you with Socrates yourself, Phaedo, on the day when he drank the poison in
                    prison, or did you hear about it from someone else?
              </said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label><milestone unit="para"/>I was there myself, Echecrates.
               </said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label><milestone unit="para"/>Then what did he say before his death? and how did he die? I should like to hear,
                    for nowadays none of the Phliasians go to <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> at all, and no stranger has come from there for a long
                    time, <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="57b"/> who could tell us anything definite
                    about this matter, except that he drank poison and died, so we could learn no
                    further details.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="58"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="58"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="58a"/><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> Did you not even hear about the trial and how it was conducted?</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> Yes, some one told us about that, and we wondered that although it took place a
                    long time ago, he was put to death much later. Now why was that, Phaedo?
                    </said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> It was a matter of chance, Echecrates. It happened that the stern of the ship
                    which the Athenians send to <placeName key="perseus,Delos">Delos</placeName> was
                    crowned on the day before the trial.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> What ship is this?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> This is the ship, as the Athenians say, in which Theseus once went to <placeName key="tgn,7012056">Crete</placeName> with the fourteen <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="58b"/> youths and maidens, and saved them and himself. Now the Athenians made a vow to Apollo, as the story goes, that if they were saved they
                    would send a mission every year to <placeName key="perseus,Delos">Delos</placeName>. And from that time even to the present day they send it
                    annually in honor of the god. Now it is their law that after the mission begins
                    the city must be pure and no one may be publicly executed until the ship has
                    gone to <placeName key="perseus,Delos">Delos</placeName> and back; and
                    sometimes, when contrary winds <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="58c"/> detain it,
                    this takes a long time. The beginning of the mission is when the priest of
                    Apollo crowns the stern of the ship; and this took place, as I say, on the day
                    before the trial. For that reason Socrates passed a long time in prison between
                    his trial and his death.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> What took place at his death, Phaedo? What was said and done? And which of his
                    friends were with him? Or did the authorities forbid them to be present, so that
                    he died without his friends? </said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="58d"/><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> Not at all. Some were there, in fact, a good many.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> Be so good as to tell us as exactly as you can about all these things, if you are
                    not too busy.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> I am not busy and I will try to tell you. It is always my greatest pleasure to be
                    reminded of Socrates whether by speaking of him myself or by listening to
                    someone else.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> Well, Phaedo, you will have hearers who feel as you do; so try to tell us
                    everything as accurately as you can. </said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="58e"/><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> For my part, I had strange emotions when I was there. For I was not filled with
                    pity as I might naturally be when present at the death of a friend; since he
                    seemed to me to be happy, both in his bearing and his words, he was meeting
                    death so fearlessly and nobly. And so I thought that even in going to the abode
                    of the dead he was not going without the protection of the gods, and that when
                    he arrived there <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="59"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="59a"/> it would be well with him, if it ever was well with anyone.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="59"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label> And for this reason I was not at all filled with pity, as might seem natural
                    when I was present at a scene of mourning; nor on the other hand did I feel
                    pleasure because we were occupied with philosophy, as was our custom—and
                    our talk was of philosophy;—but a very strange feeling came over me, an
                    unaccustomed mixture of pleasure and of pain together, when I thought that
                    Socrates was presently to die. And all of us who were there were in much the
                    same condition, sometimes laughing and sometimes weeping; especially one of us,
                    Apollodorus; you know him <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="59b"/> and his
                    character.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> To be sure I do.</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> He was quite unrestrained, and I was much agitated myself, as were the
                    others.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> Who were these, Phaedo?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> Of native Athenians there was this Apollodorus, and Critobulus and his father,
                    and Hermogenes and Epiganes and Aeschines and Antisthenes; and Ctesippus the
                    Paeanian was there too, and Menexenus and some other Athenians. But Plato, I
                    think, was ill. </said></p><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="59c"/><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> Were any foreigners there?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> Yes, Simmias of <placeName key="perseus,Thebes">Thebes</placeName> and Cebes and
                    Phaedonides, and from Megara Euclides and Terpsion.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> What? Were Aristippus and Cleombrotus there?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> No. They were said to be in <placeName key="tgn,7011087">Aegina</placeName>.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> Was anyone else there?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> I think these were about all.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> Well then, what was the conversation?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> I will try to tell you everything from the beginning. On the previous days <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="59d"/> I and the others had always been in the
                    habit of visiting Socrates. We used to meet at daybreak in the court where the
                    trial took place, for it was near the prison; and every day we used to wait
                    about, talking with each other, until the prison was opened, for it was not
                    opened early; and when it was opened, we went in to Socrates and passed most of
                    the day with him. On that day we came together earlier; for the day before,
              <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="59e"/> when we left the prison in the evening we
                    heard that the ship had arrived from <placeName key="perseus,Delos">Delos</placeName>. So we agreed to come to the usual place as early in the
                    morning as possible. And we came, and the jailer who usually answered the door
                    came out and told us to wait and not go in until he told us. <q type="spoken">For,</q>
                    he said, <q type="spoken">the eleven are releasing Socrates from his fetters and giving
                    directions how he is to die today.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="60"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label> So after a little delay he came and
               <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="60"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="60a"/> told us to
                    go in. We went in then and found Socrates just released from his fetters and
                    Xanthippe—you know her—with his little son in her arms, sitting
                    beside him. Now when Xanthippe saw us, she cried out and said the kind of thing
                    that women always do say: <q type="spoken">Oh Socrates, this is the last time now that
                    your friends will speak to you or you to them.</q> And Socrates glanced at
                    Crito and said, <q type="spoken">Crito, let somebody take her home.</q>
         <milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And some of Crito’s people took her away wailing <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="60b"/> and beating her breast. But Socrates sat
                    up on his couch and bent his leg and rubbed it with his hand, and while he was
                    rubbing it, he said, <q type="spoken">What a strange thing, my friends, that seems to be
                    which men call pleasure! How wonderfully it is related to that which seems to be
                    its opposite, pain, in that they will not both come to a man at the same time,
                    and yet if he pursues the one and captures it he is generally obliged to take
                    the other also, as if the two were joined together in one head. And I
                    think,</q> <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="60c"/>
          he said, <q type="spoken">if Aesop had thought of them, he would have made a fable telling how they were at war and god
                    wished to reconcile them, and when he could not do that, he fastened their heads
                    together, and for that reason, when one of them comes to anyone, the other
                    follows after. Just so it seems that in my case, after pain was in my leg on
                    account of the fetter, pleasure appears to have come following
                        after.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Here Cebes interrupted and said,
                    <q type="spoken">By Zeus, Socrates, I am glad you reminded me.
         
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          Several others have asked about the poems you have composed,
                    the metrical versions of Aesop’s fables and the hymn to Apollo, and Evenus asked
                    me the day before yesterday why you never wrote any poetry before, composed
                    these verses after you came to prison. Now, if you care that I should be able to
                    answer Evenus when he asks me again—and I know he will ask me—tell
                    me what to say.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then tell him,
                    Cebes,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">the truth, that I composed these verses not
                    because I wished to rival him or his poems, 
         
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           for I knew that would not be easy, but because I wished to test the meaning of
                    certain dreams, and to make sure that I was neglecting no duty in case their
                    repeated commands meant that I must cultivate the Muses in this way. They were
                    something like this. The same dream came to me often in my past life, sometimes
                    in one form and sometimes in another, but always saying the same thing:
                    <q type="spoken">Socrates,</q> it said, <q type="spoken">make music and work at it.</q></q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="61"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge">And I formerly thought it was
                    urging and encouraging me <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="61"/>
         
         
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          to do what I was doing already and that just as people
                    encourage runners by cheering, so the dream was encouraging me to do what I was
                    doing, that is, to make music, because philosophy was the greatest kind of music
                    and I was working at that. But now, after the trial and while the festival of
                    the god delayed my execution, I thought, in case the repeated dream really meant
                    to tell me to make this which is ordinarily called music, I ought to do so and
                    not to disobey. For I thought it was safer not to go hence 
         
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        before making sure that I had done what I ought, by obeying
                    the dream and composing verses. So first I composed a hymn to the god whose
                    festival it was; and after the god, considering that a poet, if he is really to
                    be a poet, must compose myths and not speeches, since I was not a maker of
                    myths, I took the myths of Aesop, which I had at hand and knew, and turned into
                    verse the first I came upon. So tell Evenus that, Cebes, and bid him farewell,
                    and tell him, if he is wise, to come after me as quickly as he can. 
         
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           I, it seems, am going today; for that is the order
                    of the Athenians.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And Simmias said,
                    <q type="spoken">What a message that is, Socrates, for Evenus! I have met him often, and
                    from what I have seen of him, I should say that he will not take your advice in
                    the least if he can help it.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Why
                    so?</q> said he. <q type="spoken">Is not Evenus a philosopher?</q>
        <milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I think so,</q> said Simmias.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then Evenus will take my advice, and so will every man
                    who has any worthy interest in philosophy. Perhaps, however, he will not take
                    his own life, for they say that is not permitted.</q> 
         
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         And as he spoke he put his feet down on the ground and
                    remained sitting in this way through the rest of the conversation.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Then Cebes asked him: <q type="spoken">What do you mean by this,
                    Socrates, that it is not permitted to take one’s life, but that the philosopher
                    would desire to follow after the dying?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">How is this, Cebes? Have you and Simmias, who are pupils of Philolaus,
                    not heard about such things?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Nothing
                    definite, Socrates.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I myself speak
                    of them only from hearsay; but I have no objection to telling what I have heard.
                    And indeed it is perhaps especially fitting, 
         
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         as I am going to the other world, to tell stories about the life there and
                    consider what we think about it; for what else could one do in the time between
                    now and sunset?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Why in the world do
                    they say that it is not permitted to kill oneself, Socrates?
                    I heard Philolaus,
                    when he was living in our city, say the same thing you just said, and I have
                    heard it from others, too, that one must not do this; but I never heard anyone
                    say anything definite about it.</q></said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>