For it is not the same thing, men of Athens , to give false testimony while face to face with you and to do so before an arbitrator. With you heavy indignation and severe penalty await those who bear false witness; but before an arbitrator they give what testimony they please without risk and without shame. When I expostulated and expressed strong indignation, men of Athens , at the effrontery of Lampis, and produced before the arbitrator the same testimony as I now produce before you—that, namely, of the persons who at the first went to him with me, when he stated that he had not received the money from Phormio, and that Phormio had not put the goods on board the ship—Lampis, being so plainly convicted of bearing false witness and of playing the rogue, admitted that he had made the statement to my partner here, I take the phrase πρὸς τοῦτον with εἰρηκέναι , assuming that the reference is to the partner of Chrysippus, who apparently takes the latter’s place as speaker at the beginning of the next paragraph. but declared that he was out of his mind when he made it. Now read me this deposition. The Deposition The partner of Chrysippus now speaks.