<TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0" xmlns:py="http://codespeak.net/lxml/objectify/pytype" py:pytype="TREE"><text><body><div type="edition" n="urn:cts:engLit:sidney.defence.perseus-eng1" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="paragraph" xml:base="urn:cts:engLit:sidney.defence.perseus-eng1" n="23"><p resp="perseus"><name rend="italic">Tully</name> taketh much paines, and many times not without Poeticall helpes to make vs know the force, loue of our country hath in vs. Let vs but heare old <name rend="italic">Anchices</name>, speaking in the middest of <name rend="italic">Troies</name> flames, or see <name rend="italic">Vlisses</name> in the fulnesse of all <name rend="italic">Calipsoes</name> delightes, bewaile his absence from barraine and beggerly <name rend="italic">Ithecæ</name>. Anger the <name rend="italic">Stoickes</name> said, was a short madnesse: let but <name rend="italic">Sophocles</name> bring you <name rend="italic">Aiax</name> on a stage, killing or whipping sheepe and oxen, thinking them the Army of Greekes, with their Chieftaines <name rend="italic">Agamemnon</name>, and <name rend="italic">Menelaus: </name> and tell me if you haue not a more familiar insight into Anger, then finding in the schoolemen his <name rend="italic">Genus</name> and <name rend="italic">Difference</name>. See whether wisdom and temperance in <name rend="italic">Vlisses</name> and <name rend="italic">Diomedes</name>, valure in <name rend="italic">Achilles, </name> friendship in <name rend="italic">Nisus</name> and <name rend="italic">Eurialus</name>, euen to an ignorant man carry not an apparant shining: and contrarily, the remorse of conscience in <name rend="italic">Oedipus</name>; the soone repenting pride in <name rend="italic">Agamemnon</name>; the selfe deuouring crueltie in his father <name rend="italic">Atreus</name> ; the violence of ambition in the two <name rend="italic">Theban</name> brothers; the sower sweetnesse of reuenge in <name rend="italic">Medea</name>; and to fall lower, the <name rend="italic">Terentian Gnato</name>, and our <name rend="italic">Chawcers Pander</name> so exprest, that we now vse their names, to signifie their Trades: and finally, all vertues, vices, and passions, so in their owne naturall states, laide to the view, that we seeme not to heare of them, but clearly to see through them. </p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="paragraph" xml:base="urn:cts:engLit:sidney.defence.perseus-eng1" n="24"><p resp="perseus">But euen in the most excellent determination of goodnesse, what <name rend="italic">Philosophers</name> counsaile can so readely direct a Prince, as the feined <name rend="italic">Cirus</name> in <name rend="italic">Xenophon</name>, or a vertuous man in all fortunes: as <name rend="italic">Aeneas</name> in <name rend="italic">Virgill</name>, or a whole Common-wealth, as the Way of Sir Thomas Moores <name rend="italic">Eutopia</name>. I say the Way, because where Sir Thomas Moore erred, it was the fault of the man and not of the Poet: for that Way of patterning a Common-wealth, was most absolute though hee perchaunce hath not so absolutely performed it. For the question is, whether the fained Image of Poetrie, or the reguler instruction of Philosophie, hath the more force in teaching ? Wherein if the <name rend="italic">Philosophers</name> haue more rightly shew- ed themselues <name rend="italic">Philosophers</name> then the <name rend="italic">Poets</name>, haue atteined to the high toppe of their profession(as in truth <foreign xml:lang="lat">Mediocribus esse poetis non Dii, non homines, non concessere columnae</foreign>, ) it is (I say againe) not the fault of the Art, but that by fewe men that Art can be accomplished. Certainly euen our Sauiour Christ could as well haue giuen the morall comon places of vncharitablenesse and humblenesse, as the diuine narration of <name rend="italic">Diues</name> and <name rend="italic">Lazarus</name>, or of disobedience and mercy, as that heauenly discourse of the lost childe and the gracious Father, but that his through searching wisdome, knew the estate of <name rend="italic">Diues</name> burning in hell, and of <name rend="italic">Lazarus</name> in <name rend="italic">Abrahams</name> bosome, would more constantly as it were, inhabit both the memorie and iudgement. Truly for my selfe(mee seemes) I see before mine eyes, the lost childs disdainful prodigalitie, turned to enuy a Swines dinner: which by the learned <name rend="italic">Diuines</name> are thought not Historical acts, but instructing Parables. For conclusion, I say the <name rend="italic">Philosopher</name> teacheth, but he teacheth obscurely, so as the learned onely can vnderstand him, that is to say, he teacheth them that are alreadie taught. </p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="paragraph" xml:base="urn:cts:engLit:sidney.defence.perseus-eng1" n="25"><p resp="perseus">But the Poet is the food for the tendrest stomacks, the Poet is indeed, the right populer <name rend="italic">Philosopher</name>. Whereof <name rend="italic">Esops</name> Tales giue good proofe, whose prettie Allegories stealing vnder the formall Tales of beastes, makes many more beastly then beasts: begin to hear the sound of vertue from those dumbe speakers. But now may it be alleadged, that if this imagining of matters be so fit for the imagination, then must the <name rend="italic">Historian</name> needs surpasse, who brings you images of true matters, such as indeed were done, and not such as fantastically or falsly may be suggested to haue bin done. Truly <name rend="italic">Aristotle</name> himselfe in his discourse of <name rend="italic">Poesie</name>, plainly determineth this question, saying, that <name rend="italic"> Poetrie</name> is <foreign xml:lang="grc">φιλοσοπηώτερον</foreign>, and <foreign xml:lang="grc">σπουδαιότερον</foreign>, that is to say, it is more Philosophicall and more then History. His reason is, because <name rend="italic">Poesie</name> dealeth with <foreign xml:lang="grc">καθόλου</foreign>, that is to say, with the vniuersall consideration, and the Historie with <foreign xml:lang="grc">καθ’ ἔκαστον</foreign>, the particular. Now saith he, the vniuersall wayes what is fit to be said or done, either in likelihood or necessitie, which the <name rend="italic">Poesie</name> considereth in his imposed names: and the particular onely marketh whether <name rend="italic">Alcibiades</name> did or suffered this or that. Thus farre <name rend="italic">Aristotle</name>. Which reason of his, as all his is most full of reason. </p></div></div></body></text></TEI>